The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

Anniebach

*Nye Bevan*
What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
the same speech at Manchester, 4 July 1948

A disgraceful comment.

MissAdventure

I don't believe class changes with money.

If that was fje case, presumably everyone would be happy for Rayner to be put in a higher class bracket than them.

Agree MissA. I think she’s a seriously wealthy woman these days! I’m also speculating if that’s part of the reason she doesn’t want to publish her financial status.
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Doesn’t fuss me in the slightest but might upset some voters who like to identify with working class roots.
I admire her for making the most of her opportunities in life. I think she’s feisty and brave really.
Mind you - that’s easy if the wings beneath your wings are union backed.

She’s Labours ‘attack dog’. Probably coached by Alistair Campbell.

Yes Anniebach, that was a shameful remark for anyone to make and I am surprised at you for repeating it.

MissAdventure

Germanshepherdsmum

I have never considered you to be thick, MissA. Quite the reverse.

Thank you.
I don't consider you thick either.
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. Excellent stuff!

silverlining48

I can’t believe people think it’s ok to criticise Angela Rayners accent, good heavens, , don’t we have more than enough ex Etonian’s, with little lived experience of the lives of the majority of the population.

She is a woman who despite a poor start in life has succeeded in breaching that almost insurmountable barrier. She is to be applauded especially by other women.

I haven’t criticised her regional accent - (as I said clearly in my earlier post) it’s the spiteful, sneering way she speaks of others but then she probably knows no better.

I also compared her to Labour’s former Home Secretary Alan Johnson who worked hard to better himself so he could interact effectively with anyone from whatever walk of life. There are plenty of famous people, not just politicians, who have done the same without losing their regional accents.

But snobbery is still alive and kicking.

Class is a totally outdated construct.

I don't believe class changes with money.

If that was fje case, presumably everyone would be happy for Rayner to be put in a higher class bracket than them.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

Believe it or not, silverlining, I am not alone. If you think her life experience represents that of the majority of the population, heaven help us.

Not the majority, but a significant number. Many of those are people who don't think that toffs and the "elite" understand their lives or could represent them and sometimes don't bother to vote.

Someone once asked me what class my parents were. I replied working class. Rethinking it I said no, unemployed class..then changed it to unemployable class. It was only the luck of going to both a good primary school and then a good secondary school that resulted in me becoming lower middle class. That’s why I’m so passionate about education.

I don’t have tattoos either but my ears are pierced

Germanshepherdsmum

My goodness, the hatred of anyone who might be a bit better off and who respects some social standards is really coming out here. ‘Toffs’? ‘Elite’? So much hatred of anyone who has more than others. As ever.

I’ve seen no evidence of hatred of people who might be a bit better off etc? Many of the so called lefties on this forum are far from poverty stricken.
The dreadful comments about Angela’s accent, her pregnancy at 15, her ‘coarseness’ etc - how can this be ok yet genuine well founded complaints about the over privileged ‘elite’ have wrecked our public services

Anniebach

*Nye Bevan*
What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
the same speech at Manchester, 4 July 1948

A tremendous person.

Germanshepherdsmum

My goodness, the hatred of anyone who might be a bit better off and who respects some social standards is really coming out here. ‘Toffs’? ‘Elite’? So much hatred of anyone who has more than others. As ever.

Not hatred from me, but it would be difficult to ignore what many voters have said about the current MPs, especially around the referendum debate, eg Islington elite etc. Nobody could accuse Rayner of belonging to that set!

PS. I have a cut glass plummy accent, which covers up my lack of wealth .

PPS. I don't have tattoos or multiple piercings and don't wear tracksuits or pyjamas to go to Tesco. I guess I must be posh.

Maybe people are just sharing their own lives experiences

I’ve been judged for my accent

I am working class and have two degrees and plenty of qualifications. I had my children young and had a disabled child. Maybe Angela Rayner gives me something to aspire to, too 🤷‍♀️ We aren’t represented in parliament usually

eazybee because i quoted Nye Bevan?

My goodness, the hatred of anyone who might be a bit better off and who respects some social standards is really coming out here. ‘Toffs’? ‘Elite’? So much hatred of anyone who has more than others. As ever.

Anniebach I am disappointed in you.

GSM Of course her life experience represents rather more of the population than exEtonian’s do. They are a tiny but powerful elite. Their comfortable lives, with few if any financial worries, have protected them from the experience of most ordinary people.
No, you will will not be alone, but that doesn’t mean you are right.

Germanshepherdsmum

Believe it or not, silverlining, I am not alone. If you think her life experience represents that of the majority of the population, heaven help us.

Not the majority, but a significant number. Many of those are people who don't think that toffs and the "elite" understand their lives or could represent them and sometimes don't bother to vote.

Nye Bevan
What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
the same speech at Manchester, 4 July 1948

Absolutely TinSoldier. The old Etonian’s and Oxbridge grads don’t represent me, any of my family or wide friendship group. They don’t give a flying fig about the families and children I spent my forty working years with. Go Angela

If Rayner didn’t unnerve Tories why are they going to these absurd lengths to discredit her?

I don’t care how someone dresses or speaks. The proof will be in the political change for good that a new government can bring about. There’s a world of difference between political theory and political practice. Westminster is a battlefield. I suspect first class honours in PPE count for very little once the whips get their teeth into someone.

One of the most revered politicians of our time was Nye Bevan. Butcher’s boy, coal miner and trade union activist. Without him we would have no NHS.

The Old Etonians and Oxbridge graduates have had fourteen years in government and made a mess of things. Time for a new order and all the better if we have some strong women from different backgrounds in cabinet.

The ONS social mobility barometer tells us that almost half of the population considers itself working class. 54% of people aged 50 to 64 describe themselves as working class. Time we were properly represented.

Angela Raynor had a very difficult childhood. Her education and social development held back by her role as cater to her mother.
She’s exactly the young single mum the Sure Start programme, started by the Blair govt and devastated by Cameron, aimed to support. It worked for her as a result of which her constituency has an MP who understands its needs.
She’s got the titles rattled
MissAdventure 👍🏻

Thanks GSM. I’ll remember that when I don’t kowtow the next time I’m being patronised

Believe it or not, silverlining, I am not alone. If you think her life experience represents that of the majority of the population, heaven help us.