The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

Iam64

Germanshepherdsmum

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons.

I’m responding to this at the point of reading your comment GSM. So I’ve not yet read responses from others.
I lived in Ashton Under Lyne from age 1 - 5, after which I lived in various other Lancashire towns until today - with a two year break in Devon. Work colleagues in Devon called me ‘trouble at’tmill. Most of them were Londoners.
My mum tried her best to stop us developing local accents , she believed a strong Lancashire accent led people to take 10 points of your IQ
Leave us alone with our regional accents. I see Angela Raynor as a success story. The kind of young mum who grabbed the opportunities Sure start then her union gave her. Why on earth should she take elocution lessons

completely agree Iam64.. regional accents are what make our country so interesting and diverse. I dread the thought of everyone speaking with received BBC accents.. though fortunately people with different accents are now accepted there as well nowdays..

It’s surely not polite to correct other posters. Innit?

I can’t believe people think it’s ok to criticise Angela Rayners accent, good heavens, , don’t we have more than enough ex Etonian’s, with little lived experience of the lives of the majority of the population.

She is a woman who despite a poor start in life has succeeded in breaching that almost insurmountable barrier. She is to be applauded especially by other women.

I very much doubt she unnerves any Conservatives Lizzie. And btw it’s ‘kowtow’.

Agreed Iam64👏👏👏

I think working class women unnerve Eton toffs because we won’t be bullied and we won’t cow-tow. These males live in a world that is itself ‘in the past’. I actually find the likes of JRM et al quite pathetic, but I am surprised at the outdated views of some posters on here regarding AR’s ‘fitness for the role’ - clearly she’s not the ‘twin set and pearls’ that a female MP is supposed to be, in the eyes of some. It’s 2024!

Germanshepherdsmum

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons.

I’m responding to this at the point of reading your comment GSM. So I’ve not yet read responses from others.
I lived in Ashton Under Lyne from age 1 - 5, after which I lived in various other Lancashire towns until today - with a two year break in Devon. Work colleagues in Devon called me ‘trouble at’tmill. Most of them were Londoners.
My mum tried her best to stop us developing local accents , she believed a strong Lancashire accent led people to take 10 points of your IQ
Leave us alone with our regional accents. I see Angela Raynor as a success story. The kind of young mum who grabbed the opportunities Sure start then her union gave her. Why on earth should she take elocution lessons

Parody is clearly not your strong point, Lizzie Drip,

Primrose53

zakouma66

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

Do you think it would bother JRM what you say? 😝I have seen him put down some real thugs on TV just with a few well chosen words.

He’s good at put downs, but he can’t take criticism, and he’s hopeless at debate. As Angela would put it, he’s so far up his own arse he could lick the back of his tongue.

The comments on here belong in the past about working class women. Why are we such a frightening species? 😂🤩

Yes, and as I posted at 15:08 page 10, Rayner has sold her house before Parliament was dissolved, the date for the 2015 election set and the cut off date for nomination forms to be received.

As this was an election under the Fixed-Term Parliament Act 2011 not a snap election it is always possible that she had completed nomination forms before she sold her house and used the address of the house she sold. I don't believe any such allegations have been made. It all seems to focus on why she registered at her own property and not at her husband's.

Amongst the data where allegations of electoral fraud have been made, I can find one in 2019 where a DUP candidate had submitted a local government election nomination form that included an address that they had previously lived at and not their current one. Once contacted by the police, Lisburn & Castlereagh City Council confirmed that the nomination papers had been accepted for this candidate, and it was too late for the address to be removed from the notice of poll or from the ballot papers for the election. The EC do not explain why the candidate did this only that the candidate received a caution. As the candidate has the right not to have their address printed on the ballot, this is only going to be relevant where it is printed.

Thank you Growstuff - the smelling salts will do nicely. I’ll leave the ‘stronger stuff’ where it belongs - in the HoC toilets (allegedly)

LizzieDrip

This post appears to have descended into the realms of a Jane Austen novel🙈 ‘Methinks the lady is coarse and ill-spoken. Forsooth, did she not attend elocution lessons? No, and even worse than that, she was with child aged 16 … out of wedlock😱 She shall never be accepted in polite London society. She is nothing but a harlot. Please pass my fan - I feel the vapours coming on’!

Would you like a sniff of my smelling salts?

I know some of the other HoP residents are alleged to sniff stronger stuff ...

Primrose53

*Germanshepherdsmum*. That’s just the word for her “coarse”. 👏 I can’t imagine any young girls listening to her and aspiring to be just like her.

I really admire Alan Johnson and have read all his books about his tough upbringing and how he got into politics. I think there are four. He is also a great writer and has written his first novel which I also enjoyed.

That makes a significant proportion of the electorate "coarse". too! I suspect that's why she and Starmer complement each other.

This post appears to have descended into the realms of a Jane Austen novel🙈 ‘Methinks the lady is coarse and ill-spoken. Forsooth, did she not attend elocution lessons? No, and even worse than that, she was with child aged 16 … out of wedlock😱 She shall never be accepted in polite London society. She is nothing but a harlot. Please pass my fan - I feel the vapours coming on’!

TinSoldier Your quote is about registering to vote, not registering to be a candidate. The rules seem to be slightly different. Nevertheless, it's not the crime of the century and it's "out of time". All paperwork should have been destroyed a year after the election and any claims about irregularity should have been made within the year.

Grantanow: It smells of a Tory smear campaign to divert attention from their manifest failings in other areas and they seem keen to mix up the alleged tax evasion with the alleged electoral law issue.

Which is all it appears to be.

As I have said several times; The Electoral Commission say:

If you split your time between two homes, you may be able to register to vote at both addresses. For example, you might own two properties and split your time between them, or you might spend time at different family addresses.

What on earth was there to be gained by Rayner registering at a house she owns rather than a house owned by her husband. They are in the same Parlimentary constituency.

The only purpose of the Electoral Register is to keep a record of everyone who is entitled to vote and where.

Electoral fraud includes:

•making false statements about the personal character of a candidate
•offering an incentive to someone to get them to vote, to vote a certain way, or to stop them from voting
•interfering with postal votes
•including false statements or signatures on a candidate’s nomination forms
•registering to vote under a false name or without someone’s consent
•influencing someone to vote against their will
•pretending to be someone else and using their vote

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/report-electoral-fraud

By definition, fraud is criminal deception; the using of false representations to obtain an unjust advantage or to injure the rights or interests of another.

What fraud is Rayner alleged to have committed and to what ends?

Germanshepherdsmum. That’s just the word for her “coarse”. 👏 I can’t imagine any young girls listening to her and aspiring to be just like her.

I really admire Alan Johnson and have read all his books about his tough upbringing and how he got into politics. I think there are four. He is also a great writer and has written his first novel which I also enjoyed.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have never considered you to be thick, MissA. Quite the reverse.

Thank you.
I don't consider you thick either.
🙂

Oh Lordy, its like a thick club now! regional accents, unsuitable clothing and an attitude are de rigeur.

Don't be ridiculous, as if I'm "putting myself forward"

I have never considered you to be thick, MissA. Quite the reverse.

I'm even thicker because I copied zakouma's spelling.

I agree, Primrose. Alan Johnson did very well for himself and knew how to fit into his ministerial role. A decent man and I have always admired him. Rayner just seems to delight in being coarse. If she were going to grow into her position, as he did, she would have made the effort to do so long ago.

Grantanow, if it is shown that she broke electoral law that doesn’t mean that there is no criminality. It means that there can be no prosecution. As regards tax evasion, HMRC have 20 years to investigate if they believe there was deliberate tax evasion. Her refusal to disclose the alleged advice in itself raises suspicion. An intelligent person in possession of advice to the effect that no tax was owed on the sale of their house would surely disclose it in the face of media speculation.

I'd love to see Reece Mogg dealing with "thugs" with well chosen words!