The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

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Callistemon21

^Reece Mogg^
Presumably the misspelling of his name is a typo?

I agree about Alan Johnson, someone to be admired.

No its because i'm thick.

MissAdventure

Primrose53

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

So should a few here.

Possibly. Are you putting yourself forward?

I see you have nothing positive to say about Alan Johnson.

I once owned 2 properties at the same time, my previous home and my current home. I owned them both for approx. 5 years. I didn't take anyone's advice when selling one because the facts were stated quite clearly on the documents I completed on selling, I had to state that the property I was selling was in fact my sole residence or words to that effect. I can't remember the exact wording as it was around 2000 so 24 ish years ago but there was no room for error or the need for anyone's advice.

zakouma66

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

Do you think it would bother JRM what you say? 😝I have seen him put down some real thugs on TV just with a few well chosen words.

Primrose53

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

So should a few here.

Reece Mogg
Presumably the misspelling of his name is a typo?

I agree about Alan Johnson, someone to be admired.

This is utterly laughable tbh.

Reece Mogg, he carries himself well presumably? I wouldn't scrape him off the bottom of my shoe.

I have nothing against regional accents, I love most of them.

The problem with AR is the nasty way she uses such unpleasant language about people or politicians she dislikes. Calling them vile, hateful, scum and other such words. Even worse is the way she says these words with real venom and spite and sneering. She just looks and sounds dreadful.

She has had time enough now to try and improve her social skills but she is no better than when she first entered politics. As the old saying goes “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.”

Compare her to Labour’s Alan Johnson (who became Home Secretary) who had an even more poverty stricken start in life than AR. Born in slum houses in London in the 50s, father disappeared, Mother died and but for his 16 year old sister who brought him up, was destined for a life in care. He then worked years as a postman before entering politics.

Unlike AR he improved himself and always spoke well, dressed appropriately, had good manners and could get along with people on the street as well as world leaders.

She should take a leaf out of his book. 😉

Germanshepherdsmum

If crimes have been committed that is not trivial. If tax evasion has taken place it’s a serious matter, no matter the amount involved. You need to separate crimes from ‘misdeeds’, and tax avoidance from tax evasion.

Agreed. But some crimes are less weighty than others as reflected in sentencing guidelines. As you say the time frame for electoral law prosecution has expired so whatever the police think she can't be prosecuted, hence no criminality is probable. The police are not investigating tax matters but on the face of it the time for action by HMRC has expired and she has professional advice on which she is entitled to rely. It smells of a Tory smear campaign to divert attention from their manifest failings in other areas and they seem keen to mix up the alleged tax evasion with the alleged electoral law issue.

So why is the press reporting: Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said on Friday that they were investigating the sale of her council house in March 2015, after she was accused of giving false information about where she was living for the first five years of her marriage before she was elected as an MP in May 2015.

What I would really like to see enforced is S5(2) Criminal Law Act 1967 aka Wasting Police Time.

Where a person causes any wasteful employment of the police by knowingly making to any person a false report tending to show that an offence has been committed, or to give rise to apprehension for the safety of any persons or property, or tending to show that he has information material to any police inquiry, he shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for not more than six months or to a fine.

Not that a level 4 fine of £2,500 would make a dent in these slur-mongers’ finances but six months in Belmarsh might. Just ask Jeffrey Archer.

I think it has been said several times on this thread, including by me, that the police investigation is only about the breach of electoral law allegation.
Anyone who has committed a crime is ‘an actual criminal’.

Cadenza123

I think that the most concerned about this issue is the media. I would rather the police spent their time chasing actual criminals

Wow! What a good idea!

(I agree with you, by the way.)

I think that the most concerned about this issue is the media. I would rather the police spent their time chasing actual criminals

Germanshepherdsmum

There is also an allegation of tax evasion growstuff.

There probably is, but that's not what the police investigation is about.

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Yes.
Then we can have a good old argument, once we know.

We shall see, TS, if the allegations hold water.

Miss A agree with every word you have written.

It doesn’t look like anybody at The Guardian could bring themselves to review or maybe even read Red Queen but Zoe Williams did review Red Knight about Starmer whch sets the tone:

… it emerged over time that not only did the Labour leader not wish to cooperate, he had asked his associates not to either. “His response,” Ashcroft concludes, “has done a fine job in convincing me that he thinks it would be perfectly acceptable for him to move into 10 Downing Street without a book of this kind asking some probing questions about him.” Well, hold on a tick: I definitely never got that memo, that it was a matter of democratic accountability for any prospective prime minister to have their life story told by Michael Ashcroft.

If this querulous overture makes little sense on its own terms, it nevertheless helpfully locates the two main qualities that limit Red Knight as a work of searching biography. The first is the author’s own narcissism, which leaves him blankly unable to understand a worldview other than his own, mystified by behaviour and life choices that will strike your average pinko as completely normal.

The broader political initiative, a billionaire policing the boundaries of working-class authenticity so intensely that nobody without rickets can ever be Labour leader again, is so absurd it’s almost endearing; but it doesn’t provide a very three-dimensional portrait of [Starmer].

Then, I hopped over to Amazon to read the reviews of Red Queen.

I note from the acknowledgements that Michael Ashcroft did not do his own research on this book.

Poorly-researched and politically-motivated tosh.

Michael started his very sad crusade with his book on David Cameron which lacks any evidence and proof and continues in his unauthorised autobiography on Angela Rayner. Most of what he says is conjecture and guess work at best in what in my opinion is an attempt to smear.

Michael Ashcroft has skin in the game for his support of the Tory party, a major donor former Treasurer and subsequent Peer. The interesting little titbit about this woman buying her council house is audacious stone throwing. Actually a lot of it seems just a great opportunity for this 'author' to denigrate the woman. No matter what your politics I hope you feel as I did halfway though..that I was just not interested in pretty vicious gossip after all.

… what I was met with is an unhinged smear fest, throughly disappointed...and I'm not a Labour voter or a fan of Rayner either.

So it is this tosh which has triggered the current controversy?

An MP only needs to float the boats of enough people in their constituency to get elected. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that she floated the boats of the right people in her party to obtain the position she now has. How often have you seen her described as the albatross round Starmer’s neck?

Oh its silly bear baiting. Which MP would come out 'clean' if you went through everything. And in her case if tax is due the sum is so small Bozzer and mates would consider it small change - and the distance between to 2 possible addresses is tiny.

They need to float ours, you know, the people they supposedly represent.

How could Johnson, with all the children he has knocked out?

Or is it different because he has the right accent?

Public school types tend to float the boats of other world leaders (I exclude the likes of Trump, another embarrassment).

I'd be more than happy for her to represent me.

Public school, entitled idiots, who behave like children don't float my boat.