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The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

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LovesBach Fri 12-Apr-24 14:58:54

Angela Rayner is now to be investigated for breaking electoral law. It seems she has said that she married, and then lived in her ex council house for the next four years, while her husband lived in his nearby ex council house with her brother. Neighbours at her address said that her brother lived in her house alone, and that he referred to her as his landlady. This issue seems to be getting bigger by the day - surely electoral rolls show where people are registered to vote, and this should clarify the matter.

Callistemon21 Fri 12-Apr-24 17:49:49

Thanks TinSoldier

Actually, I think CGT is an unfair tax anyway.

Devorgilla Fri 12-Apr-24 17:52:22

Perhaps KS hasn't asked to see the advice out of professional courtesy to the Law firm.

Devorgilla Fri 12-Apr-24 17:53:13

Also, his comments on it would muddy the waters. He's quite right to let the relevant authorities deal with it.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Apr-24 17:53:18

Right so far two issues.

The first is

Rayner purchased her house in 2007 for £79k. She sold it in 2015 for £127500. So given that by the time she sold it she was married and lived at least some of the time at her husbands house, she may well be subjected to capital gains tax and without any set off, like improvement etc she may owe about £3k+ in capital gains. However it is almost certain that it will be a lot less and almost certainly there will be none due.

The second is the charge that she lied about where she lived at the time that she became a Labour Party candidate. Rayner registered the house that she owned as her permanent address and not the address of her husband with whom she spent time. It is noted that she was registered to vote at her own home and never at her husbands residence.

It seems that like many couples (even some on GN😀) Rayner had a loose relationship with her living relationship and she guarded her independence.

However we will wait and see what the police decide.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 12-Apr-24 17:53:40

I doubt it - that wouldn’t be a valid reason.

TinSoldier Fri 12-Apr-24 17:54:01

As for the electoral matter.

The Electoral Commisson says:

If you split your time between two homes, you may be able to register to vote at both addresses. For example, you might own two properties and split your time between them, or you might spend time at different family addresses.

Being registered at two addresses doesn't necessarily mean you get two votes.

You will need to ^choose one address and vote in only that area when you're voting in:^

UK Parliament elections
UK referendums
London Assembly and London Mayoral elections

You can't vote at both addresses at these elections. Voting in more than one location is a criminal offence.

For other elections you can vote at both addresses.

You can choose to vote in either or both areas (as long as the addresses are in different council areas) when you're voting in:

Local council elections in England
Police and Crime commissioner elections and mayoral elections

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/who-can-vote/other-registration-options/voting-and-second-homes

As I understand it, her husband’s property was a mile away and is in the same Parliamentary constituency but is in a different council ward.

So she could vote once in Stockport consituency wherever she was registered (in say the 2010 GE) and twice in local elections in different wards if she registered at both addresses.

Again, I see no major crime here.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 12-Apr-24 17:55:17

That was in response to Devorgilla.

MissAdventure Fri 12-Apr-24 17:55:59

I so hope she is entirely innocent of all this.

Callistemon21 Fri 12-Apr-24 17:56:56

I think it just beggars belief that it's 🤬 expletive deleted Ashcroft who is pursuing this.

Callistemon21 Fri 12-Apr-24 17:57:39

I'm not even a particular fan of Angela either (except her hair ...)

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 12-Apr-24 17:57:52

I don’t - can’t stand her. It would be good to see her hoisted by her own petard.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Apr-24 17:59:49

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t - can’t stand her. It would be good to see her hoisted by her own petard.

Surprise surprise😀😀😀😀

MissAdventure Fri 12-Apr-24 17:59:50

They did all this to Starmer, though.
He said he would resign immediately if any of it was proven.

Everyone likes to bash Angela.

I expect there will be a few along on this thread before long.

Casdon Fri 12-Apr-24 18:01:52

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t - can’t stand her. It would be good to see her hoisted by her own petard.

It would be good to see justice done - or at least that’s what one would expect a lawyer to say?

vegansrock Fri 12-Apr-24 18:01:59

Meanwhile, Michele Mone pocked £67 million of taxpayers money for useless PPE and nothing is done…just sayin.

MissAdventure Fri 12-Apr-24 18:03:34

Yes, but Angela has a strong northern accent.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 12-Apr-24 18:06:21

I hope justice will be done, Casdon. I believe in the old saying ‘there’s no smoke without fire’ and I also have regard to the evidential value of what her neighbours are reported to have said. If she has, as alleged, committed two criminal offences she must answer for them.

HousePlantQueen Fri 12-Apr-24 18:06:40

Bloody hell! Now we have got Grant Shapps/Richard Green/ talking about this, he who threatened to sue a constituent for stating that he(Shapps) was using an alias, but then backed down when it was proved to be the truth. Surreal

paddyann54 Fri 12-Apr-24 18:31:50

well it seems the "minister for common sense" excuse me while I laugh at that one...AND he MP husband claim over £3000 A MONTH for rent of a London flat while the flat they call home is just minutes away ...beggers belief that SOME things are legal it seems .I'd put ALL MP's in a tower block with communal facilities and security at the bottom ..save the public a fortune in dodgy rent expenses !!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Apr-24 18:32:06

Germanshepherdsmum

I hope justice will be done, Casdon. I believe in the old saying ‘there’s no smoke without fire’ and I also have regard to the evidential value of what her neighbours are reported to have said. If she has, as alleged, committed two criminal offences she must answer for them.

What a relief you know that you were never a criminal lawyer!

LizzieDrip Fri 12-Apr-24 18:34:05

Exactly vegansrock and MissAdventure. This is about the double standards alive and well in our political system. Mone, Zahawi, Sunak et al can cream off money with impunity, and it’s fine because they are part of the rich, privileged elite. Raynor is a working class woman who was a single mother aged 16😱 She’s fair game to the establishment. Total bloo** witch hunt!

LizzieDrip Fri 12-Apr-24 18:35:28

Germanshepherdsmum do you think it’s fine for Nadhim Zahawi to still be a member of parliament?

MayBee70 Fri 12-Apr-24 18:36:29

When I think of some of the fiddles that Conservative Party MP’s have taken part in I don’t remember any of them involving ex council houses. Grant Schapps is now speaking on the news…hasn’t he usedseveral names over the years?

Louella12 Fri 12-Apr-24 18:38:01

I like Angela. She's one of the few politicians who seems real.

Ladyleftfieldlover Fri 12-Apr-24 18:51:42

This is so obviously a Tory/Daily Mail witch-hunt. They happily ignore all the borderline lawbreakers in their own party but pick on Labour instead. I remember when they kept on at the police to investigate Starmer’s beer and curry night. They’ve also conveniently forgotten Sunak’s fine for partying at number 10. Burnham will be leader of Labour one day. My daughter worked in his private office for a while when he was Minister of Health.