The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

I am against the right to buy, too.
I'm sure there must be other incentives that could be put into place to help people on poor wages to get on the ladder - or even to have enough monkey to cover expenses, when they work gruelling full time jobs.

Enough monkey!!!
Money.

Pantglas2

Exactly what Thatcher knew Miss Adventure!

However, Angela Rayner is on record wanting to stop Right to Buy in England and that’s the bit that sticks in folks craw - she had a principle until it suited her not to have one but now she’s got it back again…

I think she bought the house before she became a politician. It's not a case of having a principle before it suited her - it was the other way round.

I agree with her that Right to Buy should stop until/unless there's a guarantee that proceeds will be used to build more social housing. We now know how disastrous the policy has been for people who will never be able to afford to buy on the open market.

MissAdventure

Enough monkey!!!
Money.

Actually, being a bit of monkey might be beneficial financially!

I kept thinking "check it says money, not monkey.
No monkeys. Money!"

Wrote it out, and there was a blooming monkey!

Angela Rayner’s statement in full
“I’ve repeatedly said I would welcome the chance to sit down with the appropriate authorities, including the police and HMRC, to set out the facts and draw a line under this matter. I am completely confident I’ve followed the rules at all times.

“I have always said that integrity and accountability are important in politics. That’s why it’s important that this is urgently looked at, independently and without political interference.

“I make no apologies for having held Conservative ministers to account in the past. Indeed, the public would rightly expect me to do so as a Deputy Leader of the Opposition.”

She added: “We have seen the Tory Party use this playbook before – reporting political opponents to the police during election campaigns to distract from their record. I will say as I did before - if I committed a criminal offence, I would of course do the right thing and step down. The British public deserves politicians who know the rules apply to them.

“The questions raised relate to a time before I was an MP and I have set out my family’s circumstances and taken expert tax and legal advice. I look forward to setting out the facts with the relevant authorities at the earliest opportunity.”

Fair enough.

^What it boils down to then is that to be a successful female Labour politician you must be
Well spoken
Well educated
Not have controversial opinions
Never speak your mind
Never make fun of pompous men
Never aspire to own your own house
Don’t have children out of wedlock
Meet one man, preferably nothing to do with politics, and be faithful forever regardless of his misdemeanours^

Exactly Casdon! Once again I cry witch-hunt

I know this isn’t really relevant to all this but I assume that everyone knows that, on top of having a very difficult early life because of her mothers bi polar disorder she also has a severely disabled child, something that might have complicated the living arrangements with her husband.

The joy with which this corrupt govt is pursuing Angela Raynor is just a bit .
She may have taken advice on tax etc just like many other people . Who knows . I’d be sorry to see her resign

Coming up to an election we have to expect the opposition to scrape up any slight whiff of a misdemeanor. If only they'd all concentrate on developing good policies instead.

MayBee70

I know this isn’t really relevant to all this but I assume that everyone knows that, on top of having a very difficult early life because of her mothers bi polar disorder she also has a severely disabled child, something that might have complicated the living arrangements with her husband.

Her son lived at her house - the one she registered as her main address.

She’s always been staunch Labour Growstuff, having come into politics through the trade union route and would have been vehemently anti-Thatcher and what she stood for.

The idea that a council house sold at a big discount to a sitting tenant would produce enough funds to build another in the same area is absurd and is the argument of choice for all the Labour supporters who succumbed to Thatcher’s ploy.

I personally know of people who voted Tory in the 80s90s to ensure they could benefit and now complain there’s no social housing for their children and now grandchildren'. And of course they’re back to being Labour supporters!

MissAdventure

I kept thinking "check it says money, not monkey.
No monkeys. Money!"

Wrote it out, and there was a blooming monkey!

That really made me laugh MissAdventure. I thought it was some sort of slang you'd picked up from the Sweeney (showing my age there).

Anyway, I was always against the right to buy but I don't blame those who seized the opportunity in the least.

Whatever Angela Rayner may or may not have done, it pales into withering insignificance compared to the sleaze and greed of the Tories, pontificating with their vast inherited wealth from stately piles in the Cotswolds.

None of them having done a day's real work in their life, let alone lived in a council house. Many of them are crooks and liars too despite their enormous privilege.

How bloody dare they.

Pantglas2

She’s always been staunch Labour Growstuff, having come into politics through the trade union route and would have been vehemently anti-Thatcher and what she stood for.

The idea that a council house sold at a big discount to a sitting tenant would produce enough funds to build another in the same area is absurd and is the argument of choice for all the Labour supporters who succumbed to Thatcher’s ploy.

I personally know of people who voted Tory in the 80s90s to ensure they could benefit and now complain there’s no social housing for their children and now grandchildren'. And of course they’re back to being Labour supporters!

So just because somebody is staunch Labour means they can never seize opportunities to which everybody is entitled? Sorry, but I don't understand that mentality. Aspiration is for everybody.

flappergirl 👏👏👏

Well blow me, I never realised that to be a Labour supporter you had to eschew all personal gain in the pursuit of the common good. I’m going to vote Tory from now on, how could I have been so misguided, as a home owner, to think voting Labour was all about having a social conscience and working towards a fairer society.

Pantglas writes: The idea that a council house sold at a big discount to a sitting tenant would produce enough funds to build another in the same area is absurd and is the argument of choice for all the Labour supporters who succumbed to Thatcher’s ploy.

Isn’t that what Rayner has been outspoken about - that the discount that is now given - up to 60% - is too much? She bought her house with a discount of 25%. If build costs including land are 75% of sale price (I have no idea if that is the case) then giving discounts of 60% isn’t going to provided anywhere near enough capital to replace sold stock.

Aspiration is for everybody

Agreed Growstuff (we sound like Thatcher’s children 😱) which is why Rayner is wrong to deny current council tenants in England the Right to Buy. Here in Wales Labour stopped aspiring homeowners since 2019.

Pantglas2

She’s always been staunch Labour Growstuff, having come into politics through the trade union route and would have been vehemently anti-Thatcher and what she stood for.

The idea that a council house sold at a big discount to a sitting tenant would produce enough funds to build another in the same area is absurd and is the argument of choice for all the Labour supporters who succumbed to Thatcher’s ploy.

I personally know of people who voted Tory in the 80s90s to ensure they could benefit and now complain there’s no social housing for their children and now grandchildren'. And of course they’re back to being Labour supporters!

No, it's not absurd. The proceeds could be put towards building new social housing in addition to the rent which would be collected. If loans need to be taken out, rent could be used over a number of years to pay off the loan (in addition to the capital from the sales), so the whole thing could be self-perpetuating.

PS. I've only once voted Labour in my life.

Pantglas2

Aspiration is for everybody

Agreed Growstuff (we sound like Thatcher’s children 😱) which is why Rayner is wrong to deny current council tenants in England the Right to Buy. Here in Wales Labour stopped aspiring homeowners since 2019.

My son has just finished his MSc on housing in Wales - I'll ask him how it's working out.

I still don't disagree with Rayner and am against Right to Buy in its current form.

💨💨💨💨Casdon! It’s the unfairness of buying your own council house cheaply and denying others that right that astonishes me actually!

Explains the massive discounting of Right to Buy since 2012 aka Cameron era.
www.ft.com/content/2726620e-b6e5-4547-b358-ff4fe175171e
Labour stopped Right to Buy in Wales because there were insufficient funds to replace diminishing council stock. They are also building new council houses, which I don’t believe is happening in England.

This is my county as an example. It’s not enough, but it demonstrates the commitment in these financially challenged times.
en.powys.gov.uk/article/13570/Completed-developments

I'd be much more interested in the police investigating the £billions that the Tories have managed to divide amongst their mates over the past few years.

But is Rayner denying ... All I can find is that she had proposed reforms to the additional market discounts of up to 60% the Tories introduced in 2012.

One of the serious concerns about sale of social housing now is that a very large number are being funded by organised crime as a way to launder money and then sold on to buy to let purchasers. The Chartered Institute of Housing (CIH) have estimated that 40% of resales end up as Private Rental Sector (PRS) contributing to the massive rise in what is claimed in housing benefit.

The CIH also found that the 60% discount far exceeds the overall rent payments made by the buyer/tenant prior to purchasing.