Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

Excellent post Candelle, as always on this subject.
I suspect though, that you and some others are banging your head on a brick wall, so to speak.
The anti Israel/anti IDF/anti Jewish attitude will almost certainly continue from some members of Gransnet.

Candelle thank you. 👏👏👏👏

Candelle

To Glorianny, Growstuff and others (you know who you are) who permanently criticize Israel and speak of a genocide in Gaza, shame on you. You are not analytical, do not appear to understand the word genocide, and are blatantly pro- Hamas, whether you say you are or not, by constantly telling us how Israel is waging war on the Palestinian people. Israel is reluctantly waging war on Hamas who attacked Israel and are embedded throughout Gaza.

You write of women and children being killed. Of course they are: Israel-Gaza are at war. However, do the IDF go around only targeting women and children? This is what you say, obviously ridiculous.

The poor Palestinian population whom, although many voted for Hamas, have had little choice in where they try to live. Please ask yourself why? Have you ever stopped to ask why? To actually think?

Hamas had planned their attack on Israel on October 7th 2023. They had all their weaponry in apartment blocks, obviously full of their population; in schools, hospitals, mosques and underground.

Did, however, they plan for feeding their population?

Have supplies of water and temporary housing for their population?

Extra medical supplies for their population?

No. The people were left for slaughter as Israel hunted those that had/wanted to kill them. Israel cannot be blamed for going after the killers or finding the arms that Hamas hold. I have previously explained that Israel actually leafleted area that were to be bombed, telling people to leave. How many attacking powers would do that?

Hamas played a blinder in PR terms, as Israel was in a cleft-stick: if they hunted terrorists in an apartment block or hospital, massive casualties would occur. If they didn't, Hamas would attack again and again and casualties would occur. This played exactly in to Hamas hands and I commend their ingenuity but eventually, when people realise that the Hamas rationale is purely and simply to wipe Israel off the face of the earth (as in their 'manifesto') they will lose the public vote.

I have just seen recent population figures for Israel: 73.2 percent identify as Jewish, 21.1 percent as Arab and the remaining 5.7 percent classified as “others”.

Could you please show me any nearby country where over 20% of the population is Jewish, with synagogues to worship in? I doubt it. Yet, poor tolerant Israel lets a quarter of their population worship in the way they want.

Incidentally, Palestine, or officially “Provincia Syria Palaestina,” was a name invented by the Romans in 135 CE as a replacement for “Judea,” in an effort to eliminate all expressions of Jewry in the region. Jews were in the area, there was no Palestine until much later but one would never know that from the press. Israel was not originally Palestinian land.

As far as I am aware (and I doubt that you know any more than do I) Israel has no intention to occupy Gaza. They would not have been in Gaza at all except for...... oh, yes, October 7th.

In answer to the original question, no, I do not think Israel would want a war with Iran. Are we all aware of the relative sizes of each country? Mice and Men.

I understand that Israel has, in the past, been suspected of sabotaging Iranian nuclear war capability - the only power brave enough to do so which just... may save all of us.

Candelle
Thank you for this brilliant post - so accurate and hopefully putting things straight much more effectively than I have been able to do.
I apologize if my previous comment was considered "childish". I guess it has something to do with what I have been and am going through living through this hell.

Philippa

I’m sorry Philippa that I can only give you flowers. Please be assured that many of us do care and are praying for all this trauma to end, for the sake of everyone involved.

Thank you, Maddyone and all the other lovely people who have offered support in this dreadful time for all involved.
I really appreciate it

Stay strong Phillippa60 💐💐💐

Phillip pay- 💖

Apologies- my predictive text activated as i pressed send Phillippa60

Phillippa we care ❤️

Thank you lovely people for caring, it means a lot

I don't think anyone on GN has posted they don't care have they? It is entirely wrong to assume wanting the slaughter of innocent Palestinians to stop means we intend harm to Israel. We assume a different perspective. Even if all the people presently fighting for Hamas are killed and Israel once more has control of Gaza, the idea of a free Gaza will not die. Those who have lost everything in this war will be the new recruits to Hamas. People who have nothing more to lose will fight again. Israel will not be safe.

Israel is a country built first by the Irgun a terrorist organisation, but today few Israelis would follow such a route. They have families, homes investments in a free country, until the same can be said for the people of Gaza, Israel will sadly remain a target and unsafe.

Glorianny you are right about the fact that Hamas (which Hamas are you referring to, here Glorianny?) will happily recruit new members. They won’t give up the slaughter. They made that clear back in October.
It is entirely wrong to assume wanting the slaughter of innocent Israelis to stop means we intend harm to Palestine.

Why are you asking If anyone has posted

Israel will remain unsafe but at least they will control internal security. Every country in the region is unsafe, they all have terrorists they have to control, Israel will be no different, as long as Iran sponsors them terrorists will have to be controlled.

Katie590

Israel will remain unsafe but at least they will control internal security. Every country in the region is unsafe, they all have terrorists they have to control, Israel will be no different, as long as Iran sponsors them terrorists will have to be controlled.

Unfortunately history records that terrorism within a country where one group of people oppress another has never been wiped out by force. Even where the strictest controls have been applied rebellion has risen again. It is so sad that lessons are not learned. More lives will be lost.

Glorianny

Katie590

Israel will remain unsafe but at least they will control internal security. Every country in the region is unsafe, they all have terrorists they have to control, Israel will be no different, as long as Iran sponsors them terrorists will have to be controlled.

Unfortunately history records that terrorism within a country where one group of people oppress another has never been wiped out by force. Even where the strictest controls have been applied rebellion has risen again. It is so sad that lessons are not learned. More lives will be lost.

Which is exactly what happens in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and indeed Iran where it is brutally put down, women who refuse to cover their head get beaten to death.

Katie590

Glorianny

Katie590

Israel will remain unsafe but at least they will control internal security. Every country in the region is unsafe, they all have terrorists they have to control, Israel will be no different, as long as Iran sponsors them terrorists will have to be controlled.

Unfortunately history records that terrorism within a country where one group of people oppress another has never been wiped out by force. Even where the strictest controls have been applied rebellion has risen again. It is so sad that lessons are not learned. More lives will be lost.

Which is exactly what happens in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and indeed Iran where it is brutally put down, women who refuse to cover their head get beaten to death.

So which is worse Katie590 imprisoning women and children without trial because of their race or punishing women because they don't dress as demanded?
A 2023 report by Save the Children found widespread use of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse against Palestinian children in Israeli military detention. The report found that among detained children, 86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58% were denied visits or communication with family.[106][107]

punishing women because they don’t dress as demanded?

Is beating women to death because they don’t dress as demanded an acceptable punishment then Glorianny?
Because you seem to imply that being imprisoned is worse than being beaten to death for wearing the wrong clothes.

maddyone

^punishing women because they don’t dress as demanded?^

Is beating women to death because they don’t dress as demanded an acceptable punishment then Glorianny?
Because you seem to imply that being imprisoned is worse than being beaten to death for wearing the wrong clothes.

Well you seem to think that imprisoning children and abusing and torturing children is better than beating a woman to death.
I didn't try to distract from the harm Israel is doing to Palestinians by introducing irrelevant subjects.
Both of course are disgusting and unacceptable
But one is apparently accepted by some in the mistaken belief that it somehow prevents terrorism. It doesn't
How do you suppose a child beaten, sexually assaulted, held in solitary confinement feels towards their abusers? Can they all be beaten into submission or will they rebel?

You’d better ask a woman in an Iranian prison cell who’s been imprisoned for wearing the wrong clothes.

maddyone

You’d better ask a woman in an Iranian prison cell who’s been imprisoned for wearing the wrong clothes.

I didn't really expect an answer.

Unfortunately history records that terrorism within a country where one group of people oppress another has never been wiped out by force. Even where the strictest controls have been applied rebellion has risen again. It is so sad that lessons are not learned. More lives will be lost.

Which is exactly what Hamas promised they would do as long as they had the power and the means to acquire weapons and hide themselves among innocent people.

Mollygo

^Unfortunately history records that terrorism within a country where one group of people oppress another has never been wiped out by force. Even where the strictest controls have been applied rebellion has risen again. It is so sad that lessons are not learned. More lives will be lost.^

Which is exactly what Hamas promised they would do as long as they had the power and the means to acquire weapons and hide themselves among innocent people.

So how will Israel stop that happening? Killing and imprisoning more and more people? That has happened so often in many countries, and although a short period of peace may result, the desire for freedom always endures and violence always returns.

It is all bad and has to stop, Palestinians have got to stop attacking Israel, Israel have got to stop abusing Palestinians. The alternative is continuing violence and in 20 yrs time we will be back at square one or worse.
Yes, it could be worse, much worse

Palestinians are not attacking Israel, Hamas is.
On the other hand Israel is abusing Palestinians.