Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

I sometimes wonder Glorianny if you’re sitting there laughing at the stuff you write on here, thinking that’ll get them all going.

Ah S Africa the noble leading light of the world, what a joke.

Glorianny

maddyone

Are white people not allowed to live in SA?
Lots of black people live in countries that are not in Africa.

They are leaving so presumably they don't want to live there. Many countries in Africa lost white farmers when equality was brought in. Some find it hard to adjust.

Most were simply dispossessed, driven out, their loyal workers intimidated or killed and the land abandoned. Not religious simply tribal if you support the government you are OK, those that don’t it’s dangerous.

maddyone

Are white people not allowed to live in SA?
Lots of black people live in countries that are not in Africa.

They are leaving so presumably they don't want to live there. Many countries in Africa lost white farmers when equality was brought in. Some find it hard to adjust.

South Africa, that upholder of rights:

The African penguin is in danger of extinction within ten years because of overfishing in their area and encroachment of their habitat plus climate change causing storms and flooding.
Another danger is the gas and oil exploration being carried out near their colonies.

maddyone

Are white people not allowed to live in SA?
Lots of black people live in countries that are not in Africa.

No, white people are being murdered, intimidated and are leaving because they are not welcome any more.

It's their own fault though, their ancestors should never have gone there 🤔

Are white people not allowed to live in SA?
Lots of black people live in countries that are not in Africa.

Katie590

Callistemon21

Denying something because a country has internal problems isn't really valid or logical is it?

Let you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone

Nobody is perfect
Those that can are leaving, whilst those entering from other countries are persecuted. Year by year it gets worse despite being the richest country in Africa.

Would these be white farmers?

Callistemon21

^Denying something because a country has internal problems isn't really valid or logical is it?^

Let you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone

Nobody is perfect
Those that can are leaving, whilst those entering from other countries are persecuted. Year by year it gets worse despite being the richest country in Africa.

Denying something because a country has internal problems isn't really valid or logical is it?

Let you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone

Katie590

Glorianny

maddyone

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

No because as I have repeatedly said it is not MY comparison it is the view of many others and in particular the President of South Africa and South African lawyers.
If you don't understand all the borders of Gaza are controlled by Israel, even the Rafah crossing into Egypt operates under their control. Palestinians have no right of movement. They have restricted access to power and water which Israel maintains. Any industry and agriculture is restricted because of the lack of power and water. They cannot fish, sail or otherwise access the sea. There is a fence around Gaza and any Palestinian approaching it is liable to be shot. Palestinian homes are routinely raided by the IDF and prisoners are held without trial, many of them children. Palestinians living in Gaza cannot marry a Palestinian from the West Bank and should they do so they will be separated.
Gaza is a huge concentration camp

South Africa is in no position to preach to anyone about security or human rights, they are commenting to divert attention from their own shortcomings.

The Cape tourist areas are probably safe to visit the rest of the country is seeing regular high jacking and robbery, you take a guide everywhere, you don’t go out after dark. Violence is even worse within the local population, corruption is routine, and worst of all at higher levels

People are escaping from South Africa while they can, particularly farmers in fear of their lives.

Katie590

Glorianny

maddyone

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

No because as I have repeatedly said it is not MY comparison it is the view of many others and in particular the President of South Africa and South African lawyers.
If you don't understand all the borders of Gaza are controlled by Israel, even the Rafah crossing into Egypt operates under their control. Palestinians have no right of movement. They have restricted access to power and water which Israel maintains. Any industry and agriculture is restricted because of the lack of power and water. They cannot fish, sail or otherwise access the sea. There is a fence around Gaza and any Palestinian approaching it is liable to be shot. Palestinian homes are routinely raided by the IDF and prisoners are held without trial, many of them children. Palestinians living in Gaza cannot marry a Palestinian from the West Bank and should they do so they will be separated.
Gaza is a huge concentration camp

South Africa is in no position to preach to anyone about security or human rights, they are commenting to divert attention from their own shortcomings.

The Cape tourist areas are probably safe to visit the rest of the country is seeing regular high jacking and robbery, you take a guide everywhere, you don’t go out after dark. Violence is even worse within the local population, corruption is routine, and worst of all at higher levels

Ah the old if you can't disprove something attack those making the claim. South Africa may have its problems internally, but it is a leading light on the abuse of human rights. Possibly because they went through a long period when many people were denied them, and people called terrorists, who were fighting for those rights, were imprisoned and tortured. The period which saw equality established needed legal and ethical supervision. Which is where the South African expertise came from.
Denying something because a country has internal problems isn't really valid or logical is it?

Glorianny

maddyone

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

No because as I have repeatedly said it is not MY comparison it is the view of many others and in particular the President of South Africa and South African lawyers.
If you don't understand all the borders of Gaza are controlled by Israel, even the Rafah crossing into Egypt operates under their control. Palestinians have no right of movement. They have restricted access to power and water which Israel maintains. Any industry and agriculture is restricted because of the lack of power and water. They cannot fish, sail or otherwise access the sea. There is a fence around Gaza and any Palestinian approaching it is liable to be shot. Palestinian homes are routinely raided by the IDF and prisoners are held without trial, many of them children. Palestinians living in Gaza cannot marry a Palestinian from the West Bank and should they do so they will be separated.
Gaza is a huge concentration camp

South Africa is in no position to preach to anyone about security or human rights, they are commenting to divert attention from their own shortcomings.

The Cape tourist areas are probably safe to visit the rest of the country is seeing regular high jacking and robbery, you take a guide everywhere, you don’t go out after dark. Violence is even worse within the local population, corruption is routine, and worst of all at higher levels

Anniebach

Have you done a head count ?

No but the records on refugees are kept by the UN. There are Palestinian refugees in many places, but especially in Gaza
www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Have you done a head count ?

maddyone

^Do you *Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?*^

Of course you don’t.

Of course not because it is.
I forgot to mention 70% of the population of Gaza are refugees. They don't belong there. They don't want to be there, but Israel has driven them from their homes and will not permit them to return to them. They have been forced into Gaza and confined there.

Do you *Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?*

Of course you don’t.

maddyone

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

No because as I have repeatedly said it is not MY comparison it is the view of many others and in particular the President of South Africa and South African lawyers.
If you don't understand all the borders of Gaza are controlled by Israel, even the Rafah crossing into Egypt operates under their control. Palestinians have no right of movement. They have restricted access to power and water which Israel maintains. Any industry and agriculture is restricted because of the lack of power and water. They cannot fish, sail or otherwise access the sea. There is a fence around Gaza and any Palestinian approaching it is liable to be shot. Palestinian homes are routinely raided by the IDF and prisoners are held without trial, many of them children. Palestinians living in Gaza cannot marry a Palestinian from the West Bank and should they do so they will be separated.
Gaza is a huge concentration camp

Anniebach

Maddy no way are you antisimetic, no way, you have always
spoken against antisemitism ,

Agreed, Anniebach

Thank you Annie

Maddy no way are you antisimetic, no way, you have always
spoken against antisemitism ,

Well I withdrew it Callistemon because I’m definitely not antisemitic and anyone following my posts would be aware of that. In fact I’ve just been in contact with my friend who is Jewish, because I shared one of her posts about antisemitism on my Facebook page. She thanked me for my support and I assured her that we were so shocked and appalled by the action on 07/10 that she will always have our support.

maddyone

It appears that the comparison with concentration camps will not be withdrawn. Concentration camps are normally slave labour camps where people are not paid, work for the oppressor, and receive little food or medical care. I believe there were several hospitals in Gaza so by that definition alone Gaza was/is not a concentration camp.

Strange that you were put right and made to apologise 🤔
but the other poster will not.

It appears that the comparison with concentration camps will not be withdrawn. Concentration camps are normally slave labour camps where people are not paid, work for the oppressor, and receive little food or medical care. I believe there were several hospitals in Gaza so by that definition alone Gaza was/is not a concentration camp.

maddyone

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

I don’t know how much travel into Israel by Palestinians from Gaza but I do know that there were no Gas Chambers or Slave Labour camps. So a comparison cannot be made.

My impression is that travel into Israel was restricted because they could not be trusted to obey the law