We were right to leave the EU

BevSec

Vegansrock, the thick brexiteer comments have been made many times, how arrogant and superior is that comment.

To be fair there are SOME Brexiteers who haven’t grasped how much we’ve lost compared to our yet to be declared wins by leaving the EU.

To be even fairer you made the original post “smearing” the EU due to one silly Mayor in one EU country!

Cossy, its important to be balanced which your comments are. If the EU had remained a common market we would probably still be a part of it, but its the autocracy which is so off putting.

I will sign off with the thought that a lot of people may feel more of a pull with our Commonwealth than with the EU.

Cossy

BevSec

Vegansrock, the thick brexiteer comments have been made many times, how arrogant and superior is that comment.

To be fair there are SOME Brexiteers who haven’t grasped how much we’ve lost compared to our yet to be declared wins by leaving the EU.

To be even fairer you made the original post “smearing” the EU due to one silly Mayor in one EU country!

To be even fairer you made the original post “smearing” the EU due to one silly Mayor in one EU country!

... and omitting the comment from the Belgian Prime Minister, who clearly opposed the Mayor -

What happened at the Claridge today is unacceptable. Municipal autonomy is a cornerstone of our democracy but can never overrule the Belgian constitution guaranteeing the freedom of speech and peaceful assembly since 1830. Banning political meetings is unconstitutional. Full stop.

Which does rather alter the perspective.

There are cancel-culture types on both sides of the divide - they are not reflective of the whole though, and to "damn" the whole EU by the ill-considered actions of one man, is ridiculous.

Farage (can't stand the man personally) does not belong to any proscribed organisation, is not a terrorist, etc, etc - so of course he should with the others have been allowed a platform.

I’m not sure what people feel a “ pull” with the commonwealth , it’s a hangover from Empire and nowhere near gave as much economic benefits as the EU. Perhaps the OP could outline the economic benefits we are enjoying as a result of Brexit and how they compare to membership?

We are members of NATO and so are most members of the EU. Both Sweden and Finland have joined since the invasion of Ukraine. Military cooperation runs at both EU level and above.

BevSec

Cossy, its important to be balanced which your comments are. If the EU had remained a common market we would probably still be a part of it, but its the autocracy which is so off putting.

I will sign off with the thought that a lot of people may feel more of a pull with our Commonwealth than with the EU.

A pull to the Commonwealth? I very much doubt that swathes of Brexit voters have warm, fuzzy feelings towards Jamaica, Pakistan or Nigeria (to name a few).

In any event, few people under the age of 60 know much about the Commonwealth, other than perhaps the Games, and quite frankly they care even less. The major players in the Commonwealth aren't particularly interested in us either. Sorry BevSec but you really are living in a far, distant past.

vegansrock

You don’t expect people who think Brexit was a good thing to have a grasp of economics do you? Let alone the difference between correlation and causation.

Well, I do know a couple of economists plus the managing director of a large firm who all voted for Brexit.
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I'm sorry BevSec but we used to be part of that "autocracy" now as a third party we have no power at all. I have frequently asked people to list the advantages of Brexit and have never heard more than "Sovereignty" and "taking back control" Control of what is never specified but at the moment we seem to be a rudderless ship heading for the rapids.

A pull to the Commonwealth? I very much doubt that swathes of Brexit voters have warm, fuzzy feelings towards Jamaica, Pakistan or Nigeria (to name a few).

Of course many people in the UK have a pull and warm feelings towards the Commonwealth.

It is due to family connections, as so many people here have family and friends living in so many Commonwealth countries.

That is different from the economic connections you are talking about with Europe.

BevSec The purpose of the EU was never to be just a common market. It was intended right from the start that it should be an economic and political unit.

After two devastating wars witthin 30 years the main European countries set out to bring the countries of Europe together and integrate their economies so that the chances of another war between them would be reduced. The first body to be formed, in 1951 was the European Iron and Steel Community. From that came the current EU.

Economic integration ineveitably leads to political, but not national integration.

It never ceases to amaze me how many folks get NATO and the EU mixed up. NATO was there long before the EU and will remain, along with our military commitment to UN peacekeeping.

WE are STILL paying the EU in billions right up to 2057.

Don’t forget that General de Gaulle never wanted us to join in the first place. So at that time the joining of economies and countries together was not considered desirable if it included Britain. Maybe he was right since we have now left!

I voted remain on the basis that I thought trade would suffer if we left. I never particularly wanted a political union, particularly one that was so corrupt.

People may have relatives living in the former colonies, but that doesn’t mean they have a “pull” towards the Commonwealth as a whole. I suspect the poster who said that means those commonwealth countries that have a largely white immigrant population.

BevSec

Cossy, its important to be balanced which your comments are. If the EU had remained a common market we would probably still be a part of it, but its the autocracy which is so off putting.

I will sign off with the thought that a lot of people may feel more of a pull with our Commonwealth than with the EU.

Yes, this is exactly right. We joined the Common Market, which was all about trade. We didn't expect to be dictated to and have our decisions over-ruled by people such as VDL.
We have always worked closely with the police and security services in European countries and continue to do so.
I appreciate the advantages for travellers and traders but still object to us having to knuckle under to career politicians who let the feeling of power over-rule common sense.

No one seems to be able to articulate exactly which EU laws they objected to, which the U.K. did not have a part in enacting. What makes the U.K. politicians superior to EU ones? ( many of whom were from the U.K. of course)

You never get an answer to that kind of question vegansrock, so don’t hold your breath!

vegansrock

No one seems to be able to articulate exactly which EU laws they objected to, which the U.K. did not have a part in enacting. What makes the U.K. politicians superior to EU ones? ( many of whom were from the U.K. of course)

Exactly. I'm waiting for someone, anyone, to give me examples of this corrupt autocracy that apparently impacted so much of our lives.

As for a pull to the Commonwealth, this would indeed apply only to the traditionally white countries of Australia and Canada and only for people largely over the age of 65. A demographic which notably fails to explain exactly how the Commonwealth might significantly benefit us.

Pull to the Commonwealth? I doubt many in the ‘commonwealth’ feel any pull towards the UK these days. I’d say the majority here don’t be even know what it is these days. Things have changed over the last century.

Maybe it's just me but I never felt anything for the Commonwealth when I lived in the UK but respected that the Queen did

As I live in France now I can say that the EU is fine for the benefits it gives (cultural not the other kind)

vegansrock

No one seems to be able to articulate exactly which EU laws they objected to, which the U.K. did not have a part in enacting. What makes the U.K. politicians superior to EU ones? ( many of whom were from the U.K. of course)

I’m guessing that SOME Brexiteers conveniently forget we, along with our fellow member states, always had the right to veto, which we used several times and that’s why we still have £££ not €€€.

Whilst I voted remain, and would so again, I don’t think for one moment the EU was perfect, our MEPs should have fought harder to negotiate the things with which we didn’t agree. It’s what they were paid to do!

I still think the leave campaign was badly run and missed out some salient facts about our membership and the costs and what we’d need to forfeit trade wise.

I feel “links” with our commonwealth, just as I feel shame about a) how we “gained” it and b) how we’ve treated some of the commonwealth members!

BevSec, I don't know why you bother, it's like trying to get some response from a brick wall.

vegansrock

People may have relatives living in the former colonies, but that doesn’t mean they have a “pull” towards the Commonwealth as a whole. I suspect the poster who said that means those commonwealth countries that have a largely white immigrant population.

vegansrock
I note that most of your comments on this thread are unpleasant ones which assume the OP, as a voter for Brexit are
Uneducated/ racist and it seems to me that you need to wind your neck in as you know nothing about either the OP or anyone else on the forum.

maddyone

Don’t forget that General de Gaulle never wanted us to join in the first place. So at that time the joining of economies and countries together was not considered desirable if it included Britain. Maybe he was right since we have now left!

I voted remain on the basis that I thought trade would suffer if we left. I never particularly wanted a political union, particularly one that was so corrupt.

Same as you really, when I looked at the antics of some top EU
People, especially the one who always appeared to be drunk at these conferences/ dinners.
I only voted to remain for economic reasons.

oreo
vegansrock
*I note that most of your comments on this thread are unpleasant ones which assume the OP, as a voter for Brexit are
Uneducated/ racist and it seems to me that you need to wind your neck in as you know nothing about either the OP or anyone else on the forum*.
I was basing my remarks on the comments made - which implied a certain misunderstanding/ distorted beliefs - nowhere did I address anyone personally with the conclusions you have drawn above. Unlike your barbs directed at me. ( not drawing my neck in thanks)