The majority of Israeli Jews do not want to occupy Gaza.

nanna8

I suppose if Israel had received no support it wouldn’t exist so it isn’t that straightforward. Historically, the Jewish people lived in that area since biblical times, as in the Bible. It hasn’t always belonged to Palestinians anymore than anyone else. The Egyptians used to be overlords of the Israelites at one stage . And Romans.

Slight correction. The area was inhabited by Jewish people in biblical times, but not since. As you have written, it's belonged to all sorts of people over the centuries.

In 1948 there were Jews, Arabs, and Christians living in the area under the British Protectorate rule.

I did support the setting up of a haven for Jewish people after WW2 and appropriate support for that - after the 1967 occupations into non Israeli territory many more ?? marks

I suppose if Israel had received no support it wouldn’t exist so it isn’t that straightforward. Historically, the Jewish people lived in that area since biblical times, as in the Bible. It hasn’t always belonged to Palestinians anymore than anyone else. The Egyptians used to be overlords of the Israelites at one stage . And Romans.

The USA is walking a complicated tightrope. It has funded

(quote wiki)

"Since Israel's founding in 1948, it has received $158 billion in military aid from the United States, making it the greatest recipient in history."

Presumably as the major ally in the region.
However as you mention, its trying to set boundaries about what it's used for. Demonstrations around this have been a great deal more fierce in the USA than the UK and the USA has you mention has tried to set some military boundaries.

A great number of countries have been involved in humanitarian aid to Gaza for some time including the UK and the USA.
But its seems to me its all about containment rather than solutions?

Wyllow3 There are settlers on the West Bank who want Israel to takeover Gaza (and the West Bank for that matter), get rid of the Palestinians completely and subsume both into an expanded Israel, fortunately they are very much in the minority. When the war ends Gaza is going to need strong leadership in order to rebuild, again fortunately it seems the majority of Israelis don't want Israel to do that job. Hamas, won't be completely destroyed, that's an impossible task, but perhaps with an International force in place they can be kept in check and Gaza can be rebuilt. Israel's greatest threat is Hezbollah, which is much better armed and supported than Hamas but with it's base in Lebanon it's going to be difficult for Israel to deal with them and not start a much larger war. This is a real problem for them so the sensible move should be to be able to focus their defence there rather than get bogged down in Gaza. However, who knows which way Netanyahu will go, he's trying to stay in power by supporting some very unpleasant (Ben Givr and Smotrich) people who want to expand Israel. It's of note that the US has recently sanctioned the Netzah Yehuda battalion (the only one the Haredi will serve in) because of it's unacceptable behaviour.

growstuff

Hmm! I wonder who would be in this international force? Russia? China? Iran? How would it be financed? There aren't many countries who would be prepared to cough up the billions which it's going to take to rebuild Gaza. I guess some of the Gulf states might have the money, but I can't see Israel accepting them.

I did read how it would be composed - I must try to dig it up.

Hmm! I wonder who would be in this international force? Russia? China? Iran? How would it be financed? There aren't many countries who would be prepared to cough up the billions which it's going to take to rebuild Gaza. I guess some of the Gulf states might have the money, but I can't see Israel accepting them.

Egypt's Sadat knew what he was doing when he handed Gaza to Israel in 1979. He knew that the land would be the cause of trouble. Since then, Egypt has had peace with Israel.

These days, Egypt most certainly doesn't want to have anything to do with Gaza (apart from letting aid through) because it has enough internal problems with Muslim Brotherhood, who are allies of Hamas. Moreover, Egypt has almost half a million Sudanese refugees and doesn't want any more.

sorry not the first historical narrative - predictive text - but the "fairest"

At the moment, neither Hamas nor the current Israeli regime accept a 2 state solution.

We can't begin to get there until Palestine is accepted internationally and fully as a State, which Israel was in 1948.

Internationally a 2 state solution is seen as the only viable one for peace.

I just posted this other thread as it - as far as I can see - the first historical narrative of "how things came to be as they are now"
www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine

An international force?

This has been suggested by the Palestinians and the USA for a few reasons.

Firstly it will sideline terrorist groups.

Secondly it will help to bring the Palestinians together under one umbrella.

Thirdly it will have international support.

I don’t think the Netanyahu government supports it, as it is not in the far right interest, who are keen to expand Israel into Palestinian territory, but when the war ends(🙄) and presumably Netanyahu goes we must hope for a more sensible government who will accept the possibility of peace in the area with a two state solution. There will be pressure from the Israeli population except the illegal settlers.

Yes, they did, but in 2006. At that time Hamas had a civil wing as well as a military one. Just saying - lots changed since then.

Given the situation in Gaza I dont think the Palestinians will ever accept "Security" by Israel - hence international suggestions. Not just because of recent events but because of settlement issues.

foxie does the article mention the settlement of Israeli citizens in Gaza?

They voted for Hamas

“Most Israeli Jews want Gaza to be handed over to an International force,”

No surprises there, make controlling Gaza someone else’s responsibility, get rid of the problem.

Egypt could take responsibility for security in Gaza but they won’t because they believe that the whole of Israel is Arab land. We have seen since October they want nothing to do with Gaza other than allowing aid in, its a red line for them and however much pressure the US puts on them it’s not going to change.

It’s going to be much more likely that pressure can be put on Israel to stop the expansion into Palestinian land, only the US can do this, if they want security guarantees they have to change their policies.

For Gaza the way forward is remove Hamas and elect a moderate government with security supervised by Israel to ensure terrorists don’t take over again

Of course most Israelis don’t want to take over or live in Gaza, they want to live peacefully in Israel.
It’s not surprising tho, that they want Gaza to be handed over to an International Force rather than the Palestinian Authority.