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Angela Rayner lashes out and calls Sunak “pint sized loser”.

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Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-24 13:44:22

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Not very PC is she? Heck.

Maggiemaybe Thu 25-Apr-24 10:32:07

Parsley3

From Private Eye.

Sums it up nicely, Parsley! smile

Maggiemaybe Thu 25-Apr-24 10:27:13

Curtaintwitcher

She's showing her roots. She makes personal remarks and flashes her knickers at the opposition (actually there seems to be doubt as to whether she was actually wearing any)!
This is the woman who might be the Prime Minister very soon, if Starmer is forced to step down.

The Basic Instinct “joke” was just one of the many insults AR has had to deal with as a woman (let alone a Northern one from a council house shock) in Parliament. Her response:

The Mail implies today that I somehow enjoy being subjected to sexist slurs. I don’t. They are mortifying and deeply hurtful. ‘She loves it really’ is a typical excuse so many women are familiar with. But it can’t be women’s responsibility to call it out every time. I don’t need anyone to explain sexism to me – I experience it every day.

Boris Johnson gave assurances he would unleash ‘the terrors of the earth’ on the Tory MPs spreading this vile sexism. I hope to hear what he’ll be doing about it today.

No terrors of the earth were unleashed. The Tory MPs who originated the slur weren’t named and shamed. But an apology was made by Johnson on behalf of the true gentlemen involved.

How very depressing it is to see a woman on here continuing to promote their sordid fantasies.

Dickens Thu 25-Apr-24 10:15:03

Joseann

If the remark fell off her tongue, then what other personal put-downs is she likely to come out with as deputy PM in highly charged situations?
If she planned the remark all along, doesn't that just prove her lack of confidence and her shallowness - that she has to resort to insults about personal appearance to get attention?

Personally, I don't want everyone to become desensitised to offensive personal insults referring to their bodies. It crosses a line for me.

Personally, I don't want everyone to become desensitised to offensive personal insults referring to their bodies. It crosses a line for me.

Thank you Joseann for expressing so well my own sentiments on the matter.

I don't believe - as Curtaintwitcher appears to - that her roots had a huge impact on her choice of words; if you take a look back at some of the comments made by MPs across the board - including the well-educated Boris Johnson - it's quite obvious that personal insults are not confined to any particular class.

I long for the days - if they ever existed even - when politicians targeted each other for their thinking or their ideas, and their 'put-downs' were more cerebral, sometimes even witty. But the bar has dropped, and that happened long before AR made her comment.

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 10:03:26

From Dorries book

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The new book by Nadine Dorries, Boris Johnson’s most devoted Cabinet ally, contains a series of extraordinary claims about his downfall.

Seen by many as part of a campaign to help Mr Johnson return to No 10, the book also includes scathing comments about many senior Conservatives.

Most of those in Ms Dorries’ firing line are accused of being responsible for his removal from office in 2022 after a number of personal and political scandals.

She calls Rishi Sunak a “coward” and a “stooge”, dubs Michael Gove a “smiling assassin” and describes Dominic Cummings as a “sadist”.

In a series of interviews with Ms Dorries for the book, Mr Johnson says Mr Sunak’s government is “nuts” and claims the Tory party is “drifting” towards an election defeat to Keir Starmer’s Labour.

Further lurid allegations are attributed to anonymous Tory sources. The Times’ reviewer called it “the single weirdest book I have ever read”, while The Telegraph suggested that Ms Dorries had “lost the plot” with her wild conspiracy claims.

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Johnson says ‘totally nuts’ Sunak ‘drifting’ to election defeat

Mr Johnson accuses Mr Sunak of failing to inspire – arguing that the PM has given voters “nothing to rally behind”. The former PM also accused his successor of betraying his legacy on levelling up, HS2 and tax.

‘‘The government should be cutting corporation tax
 instead he’s putting it up; totally nuts. Where’s the vision?” he tells Ms Dorries.

“The whole thing needs a massive kick in the pants. It’s all drifting. Unless we get a grip the local election results will be repeated at the General Election and Starmer will be a complete disaster.”

Boris Johnson says Tories ‘drifting’ to defeat
Boris Johnson says Tories ‘drifting’ to defeat (PA Media)
Johnson feels like a ‘caged beast’ out of power

The former Tory leader tells the author: “You ask where I am. I’m seething. I’m a caged beast. I’m a coiled mamba. We’re losing the plot.” Yet Mr Johnson also claims that he is not bitter. “Never be bitter, no good can come from it.”

And he suggests he could still be in power if not for Mr Sunak’s allies. “We could have kept the whole thing going if people had not prevailed upon Rishi to do something that was not fundamentally in his interest or in the best interest of the country.”

Dorries says Tory MPs determined to stop Johnson comeback

The author claims some Conservatives want to stop a comeback because they feel guilty about getting rid of him. “There are Tory MPs who would rather eat their own eyeballs than have him back, and that’s the truth of it. They have the tribal guilt of regicide on them.”

Sunak described as ‘coward’ and ‘talentless’ boy band member

Ms Dorries writes in the book: “Rishi is a coward.” And she also quotes an anonymous source saying: “He’s an empty suit in a boy band on autotune. Politically talentless
 a puppet. Feels nothing and knows even less.”

Parsley3 Thu 25-Apr-24 10:00:01

From Private Eye.

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:58:00

Ok, well there is nothing I can say to that.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Apr-24 09:56:03

Yes.

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:51:16

So you think the tories have done that?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Apr-24 09:47:47

Perhaps they could take a moment to comment on why Johnson made such an effort and Rayner makes none.

There is no discrimination - it’s about someone knowing how to represent their country appropriately and with dignity.

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:43:22

Her supporters have been too busy rebutting claims that she flashed at boris, was pregnant at school, comes from the gutter, is showing "her roots" and all the rest of the old tripe being bandied about.

It's important to stamp out discrimination.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Apr-24 09:39:59

What is detrimental is her refusal to speak as befits her position. That doesn’t involve speaking with a cut-glass accent. I have made several references to the similarity of Alan Johnson’s background and the way that he made himself into someone who could converse with anyone and gain their respect. Rayner has made no effort whatsoever to do that. Strangely, none of her supporters will comment on the gulf between Johnson and Rayner. The one a gentleman, the other reminiscent of a fishwife.

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:36:52

Gor Blimey, indeed!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Apr-24 09:35:12

MissAdventure

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you have evidence for that? Can she converse easily with world leaders without shaming our country?

No, I don't.

I'd be interested to see if the state of her undies, or her mums illness, or her young motherhood would be detrimental to that, though.

Blimey!!

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:32:20

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you have evidence for that? Can she converse easily with world leaders without shaming our country?

No, I don't.

I'd be interested to see if the state of her undies, or her mums illness, or her young motherhood would be detrimental to that, though.

Casdon Thu 25-Apr-24 09:32:01

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you have evidence for that? Can she converse easily with world leaders without shaming our country?

Like Liz Truss could do you mean?

Parsley3 Thu 25-Apr-24 09:30:40

Well, well. I have just heard on the radio that pint sized loser is a quote from Nadine Dorries about Sunak. Perhaps someone who has read her book can confirm.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Apr-24 09:29:39

Do you have evidence for that? Can she converse easily with world leaders without shaming our country?

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:27:39

Angela Rayner is at home with people across the board, too.

Primrose53 Thu 25-Apr-24 09:24:34

Anniebach

Why can’t a person with an accent talk to anyone

You’ve missed the point completely. Nobody has said that anyway. There are scores of people with strong accents in public life but they still speak politely. Look at the Speaker, he manages it!

I have a friend who is a retired university lecturer with a really strong Derbyshire accent which has never changed (and nor should it) and she was equally at home with students from all over the world to the top experts in her field.

Casdon Thu 25-Apr-24 09:22:34

She did rinse Dowden, there was no need for her to make a personal remark about Sunak as well, she’d already won the battle. However, whatever some Gransnetters may wish, it’s not even made the headlines today, and it won’t make any difference to the polls. There’s so much straw clutching going on, it’s amusing.

JenniferEccles Thu 25-Apr-24 09:22:32

What a thoroughly unpleasant woman she is, and the thought of her possibly being our deputy PM fills me with despair.

But, we haven’t had the election yet. It’s not all done and dusted. Despite Labour being far ahead in the polls, it’s said that there isn’t a lot of enthusiasm for Starmer and even less for the vulgar Rayner.

Anniebach Thu 25-Apr-24 09:19:34

MissA 👏👏👏

GrannyGravy same for me

MissAdventure Thu 25-Apr-24 09:18:16

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Germanshepherdsmum Thu 25-Apr-24 09:18:05

Anniebach

Why can’t a person with an accent talk to anyone

Nobody has said that.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 25-Apr-24 09:16:09

Exactly Sparklefizz

I am unsure what I think of Angela Rayner, she has managed to pull her self up by the proverbial bootstraps, which I admire in anyone.

I do think times are changing regarding politics/politicians around the world. I recall much derision when President Zelensky was elected, a has been comedian was one of the insults. He has excelled in the years since Russia has waged war on his country.

I shall endeavour to keep my mind open and remember cometh the hour, cometh the man(women)