The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Katie59

Sorry I should have linked Petra’s post

As for the UN they are humanitarian which solves nothing, where the do deploy peacekeeping forces it achieves nothing in many cases.

I agree.

Some (not all) do have a poor reputation internationally, too.

Well that’ll show ‘em ‘we mean business’.

Wow, from tents there to luxury 😄
I can see ROI being the new go to destination from now on.

I have no words.

I am in shock! I have just seen footage of hundreds of migrants being dropped off outside the most fantastic country hotel in Ireland. It is absolutely luxurious and the reporter said few people can afford to stay there.

Rwanda is safe it hosts a lot of environmental tourism and safari tours, you can hire a 4x4 and drive yourself safely without problems.
That does not mean that sending our migrants there to be processed is a good idea.

Visit Rwanda tourist board is advertised on at least three top flight football teams. Arsenal here in the U.K., Bayern Munich in Germany and Paris St-Germain in France.

Some of the activities available in Rwanda for tourists are Primate Trek and Safari (including Gorillas), Cultural and Historical Trip, Lakeside Vacation, Mountain Gorilla Treks, Bird watching, game drives and many more…

UNMigration obviously consider Rwanda safe as they have sent Afghan girls there to finish their education.
There’s only two ways to look at this.
Rwanda is safe, or, it’s not but it’s ok for Afghan girls.

www.iom.int/news/afghan-girls-relocate-rwanda-continue-their-education-iom-and-sola-partnership

Sorry I should have linked Petra’s post

As for the UN they are humanitarian which solves nothing, where the do deploy peacekeeping forces it achieves nothing in many cases.

Katie59

Callistemon21

petra

This is what the eu is supporting in Libya. I’m sure these poor souls would rather be in Rwanda.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

What is the point of the UN?

No-one has answered that in any meaningful way.

Not just Libya, the EU are supporting refugee camps in Turkey as well, $9 billion so far, the aim being that they can return to Syria when it is safe.

I said the UN, not EU.

Callistemon21

petra

This is what the eu is supporting in Libya. I’m sure these poor souls would rather be in Rwanda.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

What is the point of the UN?

No-one has answered that in any meaningful way.

Not just Libya, the EU are supporting refugee camps in Turkey as well, $9 billion so far, the aim being that they can return to Syria when it is safe.

petra

This is what the eu is supporting in Libya. I’m sure these poor souls would rather be in Rwanda.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

What is the point of the UN?

No-one has answered that in any meaningful way.

This is what the eu is supporting in Libya. I’m sure these poor souls would rather be in Rwanda.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

Nicenanny3

Wyllow3

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

Why would the genuine ones ditch their papers they wouldn't, its the one's who are not genuine the people smugglers tell to get rid of any ID papers and they also coach them on what to say. Even if there were safe and legal routes the ones refused do you think would just give up no they would still try and get here on the small boats, that's why we need a safe country to send them to like Rwanda as a deterrent. It's naive to think otherwise in my opinion. Also all this talk from Labour about we have to smash the smuggling gangs well don't you think that's what had been happening but it such big business even if you managed to take down one gang another one would take its place.

I also think the big increase this week coming over on the boats is because the gangs are getting them over before the Rwanda scheme gets into operation and hopefully their customers will dry up. Wishful thinking perhaps but I've got my fingers crossed🤞

Have you actually witnessed people smugglers offering their services? How do you know what they tell people?

Why is Rwanda a deterrent if it's such a wonderful place (as some people claim)?

Germanshepherdsmum

In lorries back then. Lord knows how many have come here that way in the past, don’t officially exist and are working in the black economy, paying no taxes.

Or more worrying swallowed up into domestic servitude, the sex trade or modern slavery.

In lorries back then. Lord knows how many have come here that way in the past, don’t officially exist and are working in the black economy, paying no taxes.

In my late teens early twenties I was stuck on a campsite at Calais because it was bank holiday and I couldn’t cash my travellers cheques and there were people on the campsite hoping to get across the channel ( not sure how they did it back then). So it’s been going on for decades.

Yes, people have been arriving here in small boats since 2018 when there was a clampdown by the UK and France on people stowing away on lorries, trains etc to cross the Channel.

People had been arriving in other European countries by boat or other means for several years before 2018.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

Indeed. How can anyone think it’s been happening for ‘nearly a year’? Or have I misunderstood something?

Wyllow3

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

The migrants coming to the uk in inflatables started in 2018.

You have a lovely day too Nicenanny!

Wyllow3

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

Why would the genuine ones ditch their papers they wouldn't, its the one's who are not genuine the people smugglers tell to get rid of any ID papers and they also coach them on what to say. Even if there were safe and legal routes the ones refused do you think would just give up no they would still try and get here on the small boats, that's why we need a safe country to send them to like Rwanda as a deterrent. It's naive to think otherwise in my opinion. Also all this talk from Labour about we have to smash the smuggling gangs well don't you think that's what had been happening but it such big business even if you managed to take down one gang another one would take its place.

I also think the big increase this week coming over on the boats is because the gangs are getting them over before the Rwanda scheme gets into operation and hopefully their customers will dry up. Wishful thinking perhaps but I've got my fingers crossed🤞

By making entry to the UK illegal without providing safe routes for asylum seekers and refugees the situation has just been made worse. It's been going nearly a year and numbers just go up. Falling into the hands of people smugglers who force people to ditch papers increases. Of course it was different for Ukrainians, its was an arranged scheme.

I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work

Could that be because they arrived on an aeroplane carrying their passports zakouma6? Bit different arriving on a rubber boat with no documentation. That’s what worries me.

Have a lovely day!