The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Currently being discussed in great detail on another GN thread over some pages Urms -
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1333486-The-new-Rwanda-Plan?pg=12

Thanks Wylllow3. 😊
I’ll cut & paste!

No keep this thread.

Okay. It’s a side hustle. A take on unexpected consequences?

I think Varadkar was the EU’s useful idiot. He played the ‘big man’ with his Brexit intransigence. What a conundrum for them now eh?

I'd call it karma 😊 the EU made such a fuss about not having a hard border. Anyway more boats have come today.

Perhaps they’d be best going straight to Cork?

Haha if only. Anyway the ones coming over today are supposedly being put into detention centres although I'm sure the Human Rights Lawyers will be having a field day.

Perhaps the Irish government will show a bit of backbone and do what needs to be done. Our lot are such mamby-pampys, it's a wonder they have the courage to get out of bed in the morning.

Curtaintwitcher what is it that needs to be done?

The migrants aren’t British citizens so they have a right to claim assylum in Ireland in exactly the same way as the UK. The Rwanda scheme will only affect a tiny number if it every gets going for any sustained time.

Is this really the case?
Ireland's Justice Minister Helen McEntee told a parliamentary committee this week that more than 80% of those applying for asylum in Dublin were estimated to have come over the border with Northern Ireland.

Would like to see some accurate (unbiased) reporting.

We accept asylum claims from migrants arriving from France which is a safe country. The only slight difference is traveling to NI there are no passport checks going out (unless it’s changed), coming back into UK they can check passports to stop migrants from Ireland.
Goods destined for Southern Ireland do get checked.

Low grade dog whistle politics, classic Irish government. How do they know how many migrants came in to Ireland - there is no border? The Irish government is in a panic after years of uncontrolled migration presided over by Martin himself and Varadkar and now the Irish are rebelling against it, the usual tactic is blame Britain. So even if they are deported to NI - the border is open, they will just walk back over it.

I thought in the EU you could go where you wanted and claim asylum, strange now they supposedly want to deport the illegals back to NI, if that was the case then we could deport ours back to France, if only.

Imagine the rumpus if there was behaviour towards migrants here rather than in Ireland😲
The Irish seem more confrontational so the Irish government will have to take notice.

No human beings are "the illegals".
How can you be an illegal human being?

borrowed from the US, where there is a great deal of controversy over the term, now used to nastily smear because it sounds criminal, but asylum seekers are not criminals.

Some are economic migrants. Not all are asylum seekers Wyllow3. They ought not to be crossing the Channel in rubber boats.

I do believe economic migrants should be returned to country of origin.

But I don't like language that can foster hate and actually lies.

Some of these illegal economic migrants most definitely are criminals. There have been many reported cases of those with criminal records turning up here safe in the knowledge they they are highly unlikely to be sent back home.

Meanwhile every single day hundreds more arrive.

I wonder what the daily rate now is for accommodating them all?
It was costing us eight million pounds per day a few months ago, and since then of course thousands more of them have availed themselves of our very generous hospitality, so heaven knows what it’s costing us now.

I don’t know if the Rwanda plan is the best current solution but at least the government is trying to do something.

I for one will cheer when the first plane load takes off, because this intolerable situation can’t be allowed to continue.

Nevertheless but asylum seekers are not per se criminals and using this language is designed to foster hate and dehumanising individuals and has been use by politicians deliberately to denigrate those who seek genuine help.

Get off your high horse and perhaps think what the solution might be. Clearly we cannot go on importing hundreds of people every day and somehow cater for them. You can call them whatever you want, it doesn’t make any difference, we are allowing hundreds of people to enter the country without permission!

But the whole point is, the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need, are they?
We can all see who they are from the tv news, all young males often smirking at the cameras as their water taxis bring them ashore, ready to be whisked to a hotel where free board and lodgings await.
Plus spending money of course.

All courtesy of the poor beleaguered tax payer.