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The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

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Urmstongran Fri 26-Apr-24 21:08:53

France encourages them cross the channel, the UK encourages them to cross the Irish Sea or they will go to Rwanda, Ireland can’t repatriate to UK because their courts have said UK is not safe because they will be deported to Rwanda, so Ireland gets the the hump with France and they finally do something to stop the boats.

A solution in the making?

Oreo Tue 30-Apr-24 21:02:34

There are many of our own homeless citizens living in tents and I would put their needs first.

Oreo Tue 30-Apr-24 21:01:16

The only ones in tents are the asylum seekers that have been given refugee status so must then leave their free accommodation but they can work and have access to universal credit.So they’re the lucky ones who have been accepted here.
Their tents will only be temporary if they’re willing to work.

Katie59 Tue 30-Apr-24 20:42:55

zakouma66

Katie59

zakouma66

We have people seeking asylum and refugees living in tents in England?

No we put them up in hotels with all found, far better conditions than they have left in the countries they travel from or the conditions they have had travelling we are far too soft, and seen as a soft touch.

No, many are in tents.
news.sky.com/story/huge-rise-in-refugees-sleeping-rough-after-home-office-cuts-notice-period-to-leave-accommodation-13013780

Maybe life is not as easy as they expected a barge in port or a barrack block sounds nicer.

Urmstongran Tue 30-Apr-24 20:35:51

As McGuirk points out, immigrants are far more likely to be coming to Ireland because of Irish immigration policy, not the UK’s. The Irish could emulate the British and make a deal with Rwanda, as Denmark, an EU country has contemplated. In fact, in its desire to be popular, Ireland has become a softer touch even than the UK.

Urmstongran Tue 30-Apr-24 20:34:46

Maybe some of this international tension is a storm in a teacup. Or a glass of Guinness.

Simon Harris, the new Taoiseach, goaded by Sinn Fein, clearly feels bound to square up to the Brits. As the Irish commentator John McGuirk put it, “the auld enemy has once again been rustled out from the back of the political cupboard, donned in the butcher’s apron [a rude description of the UK flag], and cast as the oppressor of all things good and decent and celtic.”

zakouma66 Tue 30-Apr-24 20:25:44

Katie59

zakouma66

We have people seeking asylum and refugees living in tents in England?

No we put them up in hotels with all found, far better conditions than they have left in the countries they travel from or the conditions they have had travelling we are far too soft, and seen as a soft touch.

No, many are in tents.
news.sky.com/story/huge-rise-in-refugees-sleeping-rough-after-home-office-cuts-notice-period-to-leave-accommodation-13013780

maddyone Tue 30-Apr-24 17:12:02

Well said tickingbird.
The comment was offensive, antisemitic actually.

tickingbird Tue 30-Apr-24 09:35:38

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Katie59 Tue 30-Apr-24 09:21:02

zakouma66

We have people seeking asylum and refugees living in tents in England?

No we put them up in hotels with all found, far better conditions than they have left in the countries they travel from or the conditions they have had travelling we are far too soft, and seen as a soft touch.

zakouma66 Tue 30-Apr-24 08:46:39

We have people seeking asylum and refugees living in tents in England?

Oreo Mon 29-Apr-24 20:49:56

Ireland maybe realises now how bad things have been here, mainly in England.They wanted to be in the EU and free movement of people after all.A bit more free movement than they expected now.
At least we don’t treat illegal immigrants like they, and some other countries do, tents and no facilities, disgusting.

Oreo Mon 29-Apr-24 20:45:20

zakouma66

*An unnecessary and inflammatory remark zakouma66*.

Are you running the show then?

I thought you were, judging by the amount of comments by you saying other posts were vile and threatening to report as ‘hate crimes’.

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 20:42:42

Back to Ireland. Have you read about Roscrae??
Blimey O’Reilly.

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 20:41:27

zakouma66

*An unnecessary and inflammatory remark zakouma66*.

Are you running the show then?

No. The moderators do.

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 20:40:30

HousePlantQueen

Greta

MayBee70, I believe you are right but for some reason we don't want to remind people about that...

And yet those who voted for Brexit will now vote for Reform. confused An example of the triumph of hope over experience perhaps

Brexit was never done properly by the Conservatives. I was so disappointed in Boris.

Reform has the UK’s interests at heart. That’s why I shall vote for them.

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 20:34:31

Now just stop this - whipping up a storm by bringing in persons of colour as though that what some of us are against when we talk about migrants. Note: migrants.
I don’t use the term illegal.
Migration figures are too high. That’s the issue at stake. Not their colour. Although fanatical Islamists are a real concern. Look at Germany! Fanatics calling for a ‘caliphate’ there.
Yikes.
Ungrateful lot.

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 20:29:47

Then you need to go boil your head zakouma6.

zakouma66 Mon 29-Apr-24 20:14:35

GrannyGravy13

Zakouma66 your yellow star remark is in extremely poor taste, even more so with the war in the Middle East.

I don't see any distinction between that and " illegals"

LizzieDrip Mon 29-Apr-24 20:12:32

I wonder what the people complaining about "illegals" would have thought of DH's grandfather, who walked from Italy to Wales along with many others at the end of the 19th century. All single young men looking for work. He then walked back to London and disappeared into Little Italy. Would the fact that he looked like us have outweighed the fact that he couldn't speak English?

Good post Deedaa. Your last sentence is particularly pertinent. I don’t remember lots of threads on GN criticising Ukrainians fleeing the war when they were (quite rightly) given refuge in the UK. But then they look like ‘us’ don’t theyhmm.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Apr-24 20:02:52

Zakouma66 your yellow star remark is in extremely poor taste, even more so with the war in the Middle East.

Freya5 Mon 29-Apr-24 19:38:59

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zakouma66 Mon 29-Apr-24 18:54:20

An unnecessary and inflammatory remark zakouma66.

Are you running the show then?

Cossy Mon 29-Apr-24 18:36:52

Urmstongran

Dear EU,

We are very happy with Brexit - please tell your Irish colony to wind its neck in, Varadkar caused the friction and now it is paying the price.

The UK

Dear Urmstongran

Many of us are not very happy with Brexit, nor people like you who speak for us. Kindly sign your “letter” from you!

Kindest regards
Cossy

HousePlantQueen Mon 29-Apr-24 18:11:49

Greta

MayBee70, I believe you are right but for some reason we don't want to remind people about that...

And yet those who voted for Brexit will now vote for Reform. confused An example of the triumph of hope over experience perhaps

Urmstongran Mon 29-Apr-24 17:48:49

An unnecessary and inflammatory remark zakouma66.

Moving on …

Ireland has only 5 million people, and the percentage of people foreign-born is approaching 25%. Ireland's government thinks that's just fine, and want to continue by joining the EU migration pact, even though they cold opt out. The Irish people have become aware of the kind of people they have put in power, and there is now a rebellion.

The Irish government thinks they can mollify the public by sending some migrants back to the UK. It's not that they don't want anymore migrants; they do. But the current situation can give them some political cover, by stirring up UK/Ireland antagonisms, and they're grabbing at it.