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The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

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Urmstongran Fri 26-Apr-24 21:08:53

France encourages them cross the channel, the UK encourages them to cross the Irish Sea or they will go to Rwanda, Ireland can’t repatriate to UK because their courts have said UK is not safe because they will be deported to Rwanda, so Ireland gets the the hump with France and they finally do something to stop the boats.

A solution in the making?

Freya5 Sun 05-May-24 12:05:09

zakouma66

Elegran

Would you rather
watch them starve in the street, and step over their corpses?

I suspect that would be a yes from some.

Can I just say ( from first hand experience ), the word Hotel conjurs up all sorts in our minds. Holidays, checking in, a nice room, restaurants, room service, a pool.

These are infact unofficial refugee camps. Human rights abuses are occuring.Children disappear.

I await accusations of being a loonie or silly or whatever the latest insult may be.

So where would you put them. How would you stop children Disappearing. I have not seen anyone on here who would starve people,what a nasty mind.
Come on let's have some answers, because with the amount arriving daily, not many have.
Have you got room.

Katie59 Sun 05-May-24 11:53:14

In many places 5 star luxury is a bowl of rice and somewhere safe to sleep at night.

Millions dont get that!.

Dickens Sun 05-May-24 11:34:09

Elegran

Somehow, I don't think they will get 5-star food or service.

A little research would seem to indicate that refugees in hotels are not served food, as is usual in hotels, by staff in the kitchens or dining rooms.

What happens is that a catering company is employed to provide food - as is done in hospitals and other institutions. That means the hotel does not have to keep a retinue of kitchen staff or waiters.

I'd imagine that the choice of the catering company is based on cost - which is logical.

Pools and other hotel facilities require maintenance and staffing, and I don't think such facilities are available to the immigrants. For obvious reasons.

So the word hotel may conjure up visions of 5 star luxury but I believe it's basically board and food... the immigrants are housed and fed. And the hotels, which might have seen a downturn during the pandemic, are grateful for the guaranteed income from the government, either to tide them over until circumstances change, or to simply keep in business. I also understand that some hotels volunteer their accommodation for this very reason. Whilst others just close up and or diversify elsewhere.

I don't believe the government goes around requisitioning five star hotels to house asylum seekers in luxury. Such hotels that are having a bit of a hiatus have anyway often laid off their staff and closed up the luxury facilities. No hotel guests means no income, so they have no option.

Callistemon21 Sun 05-May-24 11:16:55

Population in developing countries is growing fast, yet population control is a taboo subject, it’s not on the political agenda, despite hunger.
Yes, this is very worrying.

Katie59 Sun 05-May-24 11:14:54

There is no solution, if we don’t eat bananas there is no work for banana farmers, so all they can do is grow food for themselves and not better themselves.

Population in developing countries is growing fast, yet population control is a taboo subject, it’s not on the political agenda, despite hunger.

Callistemon21 Sun 05-May-24 10:53:45

Katie59

zakouma66

Elegran

Would you rather
watch them starve in the street, and step over their corpses?

I suspect that would be a yes from some.

Can I just say ( from first hand experience ), the word Hotel conjurs up all sorts in our minds. Holidays, checking in, a nice room, restaurants, room service, a pool.

These are infact unofficial refugee camps. Human rights abuses are occuring.Children disappear.

I await accusations of being a loonie or silly or whatever the latest insult may be.

The fact is we do watch populations in other countries live in poverty and die in the streets, we do it every week and see it on TV and other media.
We Tut Tut and say someone ought to do something, then most carry on with our own routine. We cannot change the world, there are many countries where foreign aid accounts for half the GDP without those donations it would be even worse. Others get exploited for minerals or precious stones, yet the living conditions of the population hardly changes.

PS I don’t think you’re silly, an idealist maybe.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, Katie59

Even in our lifetimes (well mine, perhaps not yours) we've seen refugees trekking across Europe fleeing the Soviets, being told to eat up our crusts because children were dying in India and Africa and taking our money in to Sunday School to help them. The Big Blue Peter Bring and Buy Sale, Band Aid. Donating to appeal after appeal when disasters strike, people are displaced because of wars.

Tinkering round the edges of support yet we have huge institutions which could do so much more. It leaves one wondering just whose interests are being served and why?

It's all so depressing.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-May-24 10:14:23

There are corrupt governments, tinpot dictators and warring factions in many African countries.

Along with radical Muslim leaders and Arab countries with questionable attitudes to girls, women and anyone who’s sexual orientation doesn’t fit within what they consider normal parameters

In the the mix is famine, exploitation and just the basic desire to better one’s life.

With the arrival of social media and smart phones (you only need one person in a village to have one) people can see how those in the Western world live, see homes, cars, gadgets and all that is available is it any wonder why so many make these horrendous journeys.

Many end up owing the despicable human traffickers thousands of £/$/€’s and are little more than slaves.

I suppose the solution is to somehow make their lives better in their homelands, but western interference has got history of sometimes (or should that be most times) making things worse.

I honestly do not know what the answer is.

I do know that the U.K. has to up its game on the time it takes to process claims and removing those who have failed from the U.K.

zakouma66 Sun 05-May-24 09:30:18

Thats kind Katie, yes you may be right.

Katie59 Sun 05-May-24 09:27:12

zakouma66

Elegran

Would you rather
watch them starve in the street, and step over their corpses?

I suspect that would be a yes from some.

Can I just say ( from first hand experience ), the word Hotel conjurs up all sorts in our minds. Holidays, checking in, a nice room, restaurants, room service, a pool.

These are infact unofficial refugee camps. Human rights abuses are occuring.Children disappear.

I await accusations of being a loonie or silly or whatever the latest insult may be.

The fact is we do watch populations in other countries live in poverty and die in the streets, we do it every week and see it on TV and other media.
We Tut Tut and say someone ought to do something, then most carry on with our own routine. We cannot change the world, there are many countries where foreign aid accounts for half the GDP without those donations it would be even worse. Others get exploited for minerals or precious stones, yet the living conditions of the population hardly changes.

PS I don’t think you’re silly, an idealist maybe.

Elegran Sun 05-May-24 09:04:54

The globe is shrinking, with all parts of it in contact with all other parts, and every inhabitant aware of the circumstances of those living in other countries, and traffic crossing boundaries and oceans all the time with tourists, goods and food supplies. There are wars and oppression in many areas, changes in climate affecting growing conditions, and people living unsupportable lives under regimes whose attitudes and measures we have not experiences since the Middle Ages.

Meanwhile, in unaffected countries, others are safely housed. well-fed, cushioned by government and community planning against the four riders of the Apocalypse - War, Famine, Disease and Death, not to mention Poverty, Corruption, Nepotism and intimidation by those charged with keeping the peace.

OF COURSE there will be a steady stream of people wishing to move from one background to another, for any reason, or combination of reasons., and OF COURSE that will grow to a deluge when homes and lives are destroyed by war and famine, and OF COURSE the flotillas of refugees and asylum seekers will continue whatever barriers are put in their way, because what they are leaving is worse than the deprivation or dangers they face to reach sanctuary. For most, it is the devil or the deep blue sea.

Anyone who doubts that should stop and think - what would it take for them to abandon their home, job, friends, and take the chance of trusting a dodgy foreigner to take their savings for delivering them to a strange land where they must throw themselves on the goodwill of strangers.

The task of the governments of receiving countries is to collect and interview those who arrive, to make sure they have food and shelter while their stories are being checked, and to help them to integrate and to become assets to the country instead of liabilities. Many of them have skills that could be put to use, others could learn skills that would benefit the community. They would pay taxes if legitimately working, but while being assessed they are banned from work, so the sooner they are assessed the better.

zakouma66 Sun 05-May-24 08:58:21

Elegran

Would you rather
watch them starve in the street, and step over their corpses?

I suspect that would be a yes from some.

Can I just say ( from first hand experience ), the word Hotel conjurs up all sorts in our minds. Holidays, checking in, a nice room, restaurants, room service, a pool.

These are infact unofficial refugee camps. Human rights abuses are occuring.Children disappear.

I await accusations of being a loonie or silly or whatever the latest insult may be.

Freya5 Sun 05-May-24 08:23:38

growstuff

Freya5

Elegran

Wyllow3

It names CityWest Hotel.

this the same CityWest hotel, Dublin, used by refugees since Ukraine? As in

www.echo.ie/e34m-received-by-owners-of-citywest-hotel-for-facilities/

"Citywest Hotel has been closed to the public since March 2020, when lockdowns started and the HSE began to use it as a self-isolation facility and field hospital.

The convention centre has been used as a transit hub run where asylum seekers and Ukranians are processed before being moved to other accommodation in Dublin and across the country."

Or are there 2 City West hotels?

Somehow, I don't think they will get 5-star food or service.

They'll still have food and shelter.

Wow! What generosity! Let's all watch them die of starvation in the gutters! hmm

Really would you. I stated a fact , nothing else.

growstuff Sun 05-May-24 06:03:41

Freya5

Elegran

Wyllow3

It names CityWest Hotel.

this the same CityWest hotel, Dublin, used by refugees since Ukraine? As in

www.echo.ie/e34m-received-by-owners-of-citywest-hotel-for-facilities/

"Citywest Hotel has been closed to the public since March 2020, when lockdowns started and the HSE began to use it as a self-isolation facility and field hospital.

The convention centre has been used as a transit hub run where asylum seekers and Ukranians are processed before being moved to other accommodation in Dublin and across the country."

Or are there 2 City West hotels?

Somehow, I don't think they will get 5-star food or service.

They'll still have food and shelter.

Wow! What generosity! Let's all watch them die of starvation in the gutters! hmm

Elegran Sun 05-May-24 05:42:55

Would you rather
watch them starve in the street, and step over their corpses?

Freya5 Sun 05-May-24 05:04:50

Elegran

Wyllow3

It names CityWest Hotel.

this the same CityWest hotel, Dublin, used by refugees since Ukraine? As in

www.echo.ie/e34m-received-by-owners-of-citywest-hotel-for-facilities/

"Citywest Hotel has been closed to the public since March 2020, when lockdowns started and the HSE began to use it as a self-isolation facility and field hospital.

The convention centre has been used as a transit hub run where asylum seekers and Ukranians are processed before being moved to other accommodation in Dublin and across the country."

Or are there 2 City West hotels?

Somehow, I don't think they will get 5-star food or service.

They'll still have food and shelter.

Farmor15 Sat 04-May-24 23:06:14

Only some of those in the "tent city" which was cleared were accommodated in Citywest. There was no room for others who have set up another camp.

Over 50 tents set up along Dublin's Grand Canal by asylum seekers, including Palestinians jrnl.ie/6371808

MaizieD Sat 04-May-24 20:57:32

I can't see them indulging in a round or two of golf, either.

I also suspect that the leisure facilities won't be open to them.

Elegran Sat 04-May-24 20:15:27

Wyllow3

It names CityWest Hotel.

this the same CityWest hotel, Dublin, used by refugees since Ukraine? As in

www.echo.ie/e34m-received-by-owners-of-citywest-hotel-for-facilities/

"Citywest Hotel has been closed to the public since March 2020, when lockdowns started and the HSE began to use it as a self-isolation facility and field hospital.

The convention centre has been used as a transit hub run where asylum seekers and Ukranians are processed before being moved to other accommodation in Dublin and across the country."

Or are there 2 City West hotels?

Somehow, I don't think they will get 5-star food or service.

DiamondLily Sat 04-May-24 18:31:21

They’ve cleared it now:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13370183/dublin-tent-city-asylum-seekers-rwanda-relocation-scheme.html

Wyllow3 Sat 04-May-24 18:07:50

In looking around I had had no idea about the tent city in Dublin - I had had no idea what was happening in the ROI.
On U tube there are loads of videos with very different POV from citizens in ROI - demonstrations from both POV etc.

zakouma66 Sat 04-May-24 17:50:53

Oh no! It seems the truth got in the way of a good story!

Still plenty of dollar for Citywest.

Wyllow3 Sat 04-May-24 17:41:50

Ah - found it - pix, history etc

In January 2024

“Already there is a two-year lease in place at the Citywest hotel in Dublin which serves as a reception centre and can house up to 2,000 people.”

www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fnews%2F2024%2F0110%2F1425818-reception-centres%2F&psig=AOvVaw060PMwHEN-x26lpccx7491&ust=1714926963977000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBUQ3YkBahcKEwig0YuBt_SFAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQCQ

Wyllow3 Sat 04-May-24 17:20:51

It names CityWest Hotel.

this the same CityWest hotel, Dublin, used by refugees since Ukraine? As in

www.echo.ie/e34m-received-by-owners-of-citywest-hotel-for-facilities/

"Citywest Hotel has been closed to the public since March 2020, when lockdowns started and the HSE began to use it as a self-isolation facility and field hospital.

The convention centre has been used as a transit hub run where asylum seekers and Ukranians are processed before being moved to other accommodation in Dublin and across the country."

Or are there 2 City West hotels?

Primrose53 Sat 04-May-24 15:28:43

Elegran

Primrose53

I am in shock! I have just seen footage of hundreds of migrants being dropped off outside the most fantastic country hotel in Ireland. It is absolutely luxurious and the reporter said few people can afford to stay there.

Which hotel is that, in which town, Primrose ? and where did you see the footage?

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1895198/ireland-asylum-seekers-dublin-tent-city-rwanda

Well there you go but sure somebody will object to the newspaper chosen. The report is in others.

Elegran Sat 04-May-24 10:32:04

Primrose53

I am in shock! I have just seen footage of hundreds of migrants being dropped off outside the most fantastic country hotel in Ireland. It is absolutely luxurious and the reporter said few people can afford to stay there.

Which hotel is that, in which town, Primrose ? and where did you see the footage?