Another Tory MP crosses the floor

Casdon

Callistemon21

A failing new hospital which is causing concern is a failing hospital, no matter the demographic or the Government in charge.

It is not the fault of the staff.

We’re talking about different levels of failure. I don’t think failing hospitals (which occur all over the UK) is the debate here, to my mind this is about whether poor health comparitors is a sign that the government has failed.

Additionally, OPN survey data also provide strong evidence on waiting times. OPN does not cover Northern Ireland, but estimates that in February 2023, 49% of people waiting in Wales had been waiting for longer than one year, compared with 23% in Scotland and 18% in England. As stated earlier, OPN figures are directly comparable between the nations, though the estimates have a wider range of uncertainty for Wales and Scotland in particular because of small sample sizes. They relate to all types of NHS waits, not just consultant-led pathways.
[[https://digitalanddata.blog.gov.wales/2023/09/12/chief-statisticians-update-comparing-nhs-waiting-list-statistics-across-the-uk/#:~:text=Additionally%2C%20OPN%20survey%20data%20also,Scotland%20and%2018%25%20in%20England.]

There has recently been a push in this HB area with appointments being offered at weekends, very early mornings and in the evenings.

Dickens

MayBee70

But Brexit was supposed to result in so much money going to the NHS ?

I think that was 'explained' by someone - can't remember who though.

It wasn't a promise, or even an indication of an intent - the figure quoted was just an example of what we could do with all that extra money.

Apparently.

Well, it did, in a roundabout way.
It filled up the coffers of some who had contracts to provide substandard goods and services to the NHS during the Covid pandemic.

Callistemon21

Dickens

MayBee70

But Brexit was supposed to result in so much money going to the NHS ?

I think that was 'explained' by someone - can't remember who though.

It wasn't a promise, or even an indication of an intent - the figure quoted was just an example of what we could do with all that extra money.

Apparently.

Well, it did, in a roundabout way.
It filled up the coffers of some who had contracts to provide substandard goods and services to the NHS during the Covid pandemic.

... there you go!

Obviously - many of us got wrong end of the stick and interpreted the slogan literally.

I see the activists are everywhere trying to engineer our Granny brains to think their way. I don't need your very obvious intervention Vegansrock. I can analyse and order my own thoughts and put a X in the box on the day without help from you.

Dickens

Callistemon21

Dickens

MayBee70

But Brexit was supposed to result in so much money going to the NHS ?

I think that was 'explained' by someone - can't remember who though.

It wasn't a promise, or even an indication of an intent - the figure quoted was just an example of what we could do with all that extra money.

Apparently.

Well, it did, in a roundabout way.
It filled up the coffers of some who had contracts to provide substandard goods and services to the NHS during the Covid pandemic.

... there you go!

Obviously - many of us got wrong end of the stick and interpreted the slogan literally.

But we saw through their devious plots!!

Florence78

I see the activists are everywhere trying to engineer our Granny brains to think their way. I don't need your very obvious intervention Vegansrock. I can analyse and order my own thoughts and put a X in the box on the day without help from you.

Thanks for making me laugh Florence, though I doubt that was your intention

I don’t know about Dr Poulter- his constituents didn’t seem to have a clue who he was.! I guess his patients didn’t know who he was either😂😂 I suspect he found he couldn’t do two jobs at once and simply decided to stick with the the one where he couldn’t be voted out. I’m afraid I see nothing admirable in his decision at all. Two of my ‘children’ are doctors - one a consultant surgeon - how could he possibly be an MP? On one occasion during the junior doctors strike - he was at work for 29 hours. Respect for him but none for Dan Poulter.

Florence78 Presumably you are as much an "activist" as Vegansrock because you were so annoyed she expressed a negative opinion about this government that you posted an outraged response. By your reasoning you are also trying to "engineer Granny brains* by expressing an opinion. And, anyway, are Granny brains so malleable that they can be "engineered"?

Urmstongran

If he thinks the current shower in the Tory Party are ‘nationalist and on the right’, he belongs in an asylum not the Labour Party.

gave me a chuckle

Pity he didn't use his power as an mp to highlight or rid the NHS of DEI which is useless and extremely costly (as much as 40 million).

montymops

I don’t know about Dr Poulter- his constituents didn’t seem to have a clue who he was.! I guess his patients didn’t know who he was either😂😂 I suspect he found he couldn’t do two jobs at once and simply decided to stick with the the one where he couldn’t be voted out. I’m afraid I see nothing admirable in his decision at all. Two of my ‘children’ are doctors - one a consultant surgeon - how could he possibly be an MP? On one occasion during the junior doctors strike - he was at work for 29 hours. Respect for him but none for Dan Poulter.

Yes - talked this over with my doc sis and BiL both recently retired consultants.

Poulter worked hard as a doc as well as an MP during Covid and he worked during the doctors strike too. So respect where its due whoever did this.

It's good that he works in a sector where he meets the reality of the NHS particularly real people, real situation, real pressures...... not some well paying industry lobby group

But I don't think he should work/should have worked the number of hours he does as a doctor and MP. He couldn't possibly have put in constituency consultant hours.

(Mind you, neither do many other MP's residing in long held safe seats!)

However it has given him the evidence he needs to talk from hours of experience on the ground that other MP's utterly lack.

Thanks Willow