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MaizieD Sun 28-Apr-24 11:49:13

ronib

Casdon to be fair, the Rwandan plan has been thwarted every step of the way. We are yet to see if it has any practical impact.
Spending £250000 approximately on a by election when the General Election is due in 6 months is crazy.

You think that the Rwanda plan has been 'thwarted'? Does this mean that you think that the government's plan should have gone ahead unchallenged because it is the government's plan?

Because if you do I think you completely misunderstand the principles behind our constitution and Parliamentary democracy.

Iam64 Sun 28-Apr-24 11:37:05

The MP’s. Who retain some nhs work are doing just that. I’d rather see that, than these MP’s who do well paid consultancy work. Currently we don’t have a rule preventing MP’s do other work.

ronib Sun 28-Apr-24 11:09:49

Casdon to be fair, the Rwandan plan has been thwarted every step of the way. We are yet to see if it has any practical impact.
Spending £250000 approximately on a by election when the General Election is due in 6 months is crazy.

maddyone Sun 28-Apr-24 10:54:58

I was wondering how a doctor in the NHS has the time to be an MP. Or how an MP has the time to be a doctor in the NHS.

Casdon Sun 28-Apr-24 10:53:20

ronib

Wwm2 empty gesture politics cost.

The Rwanda Plan being a case in point.

ronib Sun 28-Apr-24 10:45:32

Wwm2 empty gesture politics cost.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Apr-24 10:43:39

ronib

Wwm2 why waste even more taxpayer’s money? Just for the sake of this argument, let’s assume the taxpayer pays!

Do you put a price on democracy?

ronib Sun 28-Apr-24 10:41:53

Wwm2 why waste even more taxpayer’s money? Just for the sake of this argument, let’s assume the taxpayer pays!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Apr-24 10:24:41

In principle though I do think those that change party should re-stand on the different manifesto.

MaizieD Sun 28-Apr-24 10:10:19

Oreo

Ah, a psychiatrist not a GP.
Resigning and forcing a by election would have been better if making a point.

He has apparently already said that he is not standing for re-election at the next GE. What would be the point of forcing a by-election in the dying days of a rotten government?

Iam64 Sun 28-Apr-24 09:28:29

There are other mp’s who continue to do some nhs work. I’m pleased to see this man defect from the tories and say why.

Wyllow3 Sun 28-Apr-24 09:13:15

Discussion on Pouter/Labour NHS here too
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1335091-Another-Tory-MP-crosses-the-floor

Oreo Sun 28-Apr-24 09:07:07

Ah, a psychiatrist not a GP.
Resigning and forcing a by election would have been better if making a point.

Casdon Sun 28-Apr-24 08:51:48

It’s time to get real I think. Singling out one MP and criticising him for having more than one job is rich. According to The Guardian, the register of MPs' interests shows that more than 90 Conservative MPs undertake paid work in addition to their job in parliament, along with three Labour MPs. According to the BBC, "more than 200 MPs received earnings in the last year on top of their £81,932 annual salary. I’d much rather a doctor did work in the NHS as well as being a MP than some of the jobs other MPs do.

ronib Sun 28-Apr-24 08:32:53

Weaty. I agree it’s going to make no difference to the NHS if a MP who is also a doctor, a psychiatrist in this case?, crosses the floor.
Now we need to ask why. Did Poulter try to raise his concerns with the Department of Health and were they ignored? Exactly what mechanism is at play which keeps the status quo in place in the health sector? Is the NHS operating outside government? Or was Poulter aiming to abolish child poverty, an impossible task, when waiting lists in the NHS keep increasing ? And blah ….. it does prove that caring people can be Conservatives though. Ineffectual sadly.

Oreo Sun 28-Apr-24 08:26:37

Casdon

Weaty

The Dr/MP should ask himself questions, how can you do both jobs properly. That's why the NHS is a mess,
Many Dr's do not work full time, that's why the Country is in a mess because many MP's only work part time. It will make o difference which ever party this chap is in,or any part-timer in any job.

Goodness. Should all women who are mothers stay at home because they can’t possibly do a job too?

He’s a man.
Being an MP should be a full time job.Or if he’s so keen to help the NHS then take a full time job as a doctor in a poor area and help that way.

Oreo Sun 28-Apr-24 08:23:39

Weaty

The Dr/MP should ask himself questions, how can you do both jobs properly. That's why the NHS is a mess,
Many Dr's do not work full time, that's why the Country is in a mess because many MP's only work part time. It will make o difference which ever party this chap is in,or any part-timer in any job.

Must say that’s what I thought when reading about this guy yesterday.How can he do both jobs properly?
And how long has he been an MP?
If he had been really keen on social justice regarding the poorest and preventing health issues then he would have been an MP for Labour from the start.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Apr-24 08:16:54

Weaty

The Dr/MP should ask himself questions, how can you do both jobs properly. That's why the NHS is a mess,
Many Dr's do not work full time, that's why the Country is in a mess because many MP's only work part time. It will make o difference which ever party this chap is in,or any part-timer in any job.

I think perhaps party policies also have more of an influence on the country.

Part time MPs (solely backbenchers I think) should be looked at - but I don’t consider that the mess the country is in can be laid entirely at their door.

I am on the fence tbh with that. I do think that to have up to date knowledge of the working world is a benefit, but reading how Westminster works I am not sure what or if any benefit is passed and listened to by government. Very little I suspect.

Casdon Sun 28-Apr-24 08:13:30

Weaty

The Dr/MP should ask himself questions, how can you do both jobs properly. That's why the NHS is a mess,
Many Dr's do not work full time, that's why the Country is in a mess because many MP's only work part time. It will make o difference which ever party this chap is in,or any part-timer in any job.

Goodness. Should all women who are mothers stay at home because they can’t possibly do a job too?

Weaty Sun 28-Apr-24 07:43:05

The Dr/MP should ask himself questions, how can you do both jobs properly. That's why the NHS is a mess,
Many Dr's do not work full time, that's why the Country is in a mess because many MP's only work part time. It will make o difference which ever party this chap is in,or any part-timer in any job.

BigBertha1 Sun 28-Apr-24 07:41:14

Thank you for this. I have always voted Labour and will continue to do so despite living in a Tory safe seat.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 28-Apr-24 07:15:31

I have just read the Observer’s article about the Doctor who has left the Tory government and joined Labour in the commons.

Of course Labour policy regarding the NHS has been gradually maturing over the past few months although you would never know it listening to Tories who mantra “Labour has no plans” is trotted out every time a subject is debated in parliament or talked about in the media - regardless of the topic.

So - education? - Labour has no plans

Defence? - Labour had no plans

Immigration? - Labour has no plans

The Economy? Labour has no plans.

NHS? - Labour has no plans.

It is as if the Tories are afraid to debate the actual labour plans that anyone with half a brain and has learned to read can easily discover for themselves - although you won’t find them in the Tory media of course because they are parroting the Tory party. It is clear, that anyone who parrots the Tories/media have given it zero thought at how ridiculous it is.

The main opposition party who may well be the next government, so it is patently absurd to insist that it has no plans.

But now listen to Poulter who has defected to Labour

In the case of the NHS, he said, the party’s focus on preventive care, child health and the social causes of poor health were key.
“One of the things I really like about Labour party policy on the NHS is the focus on the social determinants of poor health and actually recognising that tackling poverty, poor housing, all those issues, particularly giving children from poorer backgrounds better chances and focusing on child health,” he said. “That is something Labour understands that the Conservatives really don’t – and that, for me, is something that makes the Labour party the party that can be trusted with delivering the reforms that are needed to get the NHS back on its feet.”

Now look in more depth at the Labour plans and policies and recognise the Tory mantra for what it is - an easy mantra that they are pushing for all they are worth that could so easily describe the Tory party.