Cross partyAsylum seekers in UK should have right to work after six months!

Good points MaizieD. It’s heartwarming to read some thoughtful, humane posts on here.

Primrose53

Construction workers? Wouldn’t like to live in a house built by someone with no experience. Or most of the others jobs mentioned come to that.

I'd be quite happy to use a toilet cleaned by somebody without experience.

growstuff

Oreo

Nicenanny3

Some are very young men what experience would they have had, also this would just encourage more to come over on the boats when word got around.

That’s a very good point.
It’s saying hey, come over here and start earning good money right away!
And apart from that what good employer would want anyone without any background checks as part of their workforce?

Employers paying minimum wage, who are desperate for workers.

The minimum wage paid here is good, and has just gone up!

ronib - in many areas the pothole filling is done before resurfacing.

Sometimes it's an emergency measure before the resurfacing is done a few months hence.

LizzieDrip

Good points MaizieD. It’s heartwarming to read some thoughtful, humane posts on here.

Just in the last 5 years have you any idea how many illegal migrants have landed on our shores?
Where is the housing for them? And those that arrive in the next 5 years and the next 5 years and so on.
It’s easy to make saintly remarks about being humane but hard to actually solve this problem.

I don't think pothole filling is the only job available BTW!

I'd be concerned about proper checks being done.
It's not unheard of for these things to slip through the cracks.

I heard yesterday that around half of those destined to go to Rwanda have disappeared. If they are working, it’s likely to be in the black economy. How many employers will want to take on someone who may not be able to prove their identity or experience? How safe would colleagues feel? This proposal looks set to release even more asylum seekers into the community, only to disappear from official view.

Oreo you might want to read the Full Fact report relating to migrants and housing - it’s up to you. Link below:

fullfact.org/immigration/illegal-immigration-council-housing/

ronib

Casdon the appalling state of the roads is due to the filling which is used to mend potholes….

No it isn’t, it’s due to lack of funding over the last fourteen years to enable councils to run programmes to replace road surfaces. It’s way beyond potholes.

PS NotSpaghetti, of course not. It was just the first thing that came to mind that is desperately needed UK wide.

I did read it but it didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know about.I fail to see your point in any case.
We know that housing, whether council/ social/ rented/ is hard to come by for so many people without the huge amount of numbers adding to it year on year.

“Refugees made up 0.9% of those given new social housing in 2021/22.”

So what?
I didn’t say that asylum seekers were being given council homes.
I wondered where all the housing ( of any kind) was going to be found when there’s a lack of houses and flats to rent already.

If and it’s a big if people can be cleared to work after bein here for six months why on earth can their asylum claim not be sorted in this time?

Surely the rigorous process to ascertain who they are and the reasons they are claiming asylum are the same as checks needed to work?

I am in favour of checked and cleared people working legitimately, far better than working in the black economy and the dangers of gang masters and/or slave masters.

Casdon I knew it was an example- I was really responding to ronib's comment- which was unnecessary (and which drove me to further comment!)...
Apologies all! (red herring)

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

Primrose they will all have experience of working in one sector or another. They have had lives before you know - lives that were turned upside down through no fault of their own, necessitating them to seek refuge.

Oh cry me a river! 🤭 They are economic migrants in the main.

Most of those filmed on the boats are young teenage boys. Doubt they have experience in anything.

Being resilient and using their initiative?

sent by their families who would like to join them for out `free` healthcare and a council house

I think there are multiple reasons why people are coming here, so it is difficult to have one plan for every scenario.

More needs to be done to businesses who pay staff cash in hand as they aren't paying employers national insurance and pension. Also employers have a legal responsibility to check status of all workers. It seems quite obvious which businesses are paying staff cash in hand yet nothing happens.

Perhaps if they fast tracked people who say they are professional, rather than allow them all to work. This may get some people contributing tax quicker.

GSM I heard yesterday that around half of those destined to go to Rwanda have disappeared

I heard that they were actually not missing but living with their families instead of government hostels etc.

More needs to be done to businesses who pay staff cash in hand as they aren't paying employers national insurance and pension.

And also people who knowingly pay workmen "off the books" for a lower price.

Coronation this is not just a refugee problem you know!

Surely the rigorous process to ascertain who they are and the reasons they are claiming asylum are the same as checks needed to work?

Precisely GrannyGravy. This could have been happening for years if more home office staff had been recruited to do it. Unfortunately the government has preferred to pump millions of £s into the Rwanda scheme which will relocate 200 asylum seekers (net) - if any at all.

Coronation

I think there are multiple reasons why people are coming here, so it is difficult to have one plan for every scenario.

More needs to be done to businesses who pay staff cash in hand as they aren't paying employers national insurance and pension. Also employers have a legal responsibility to check status of all workers. It seems quite obvious which businesses are paying staff cash in hand yet nothing happens.

Perhaps if they fast tracked people who say they are professional, rather than allow them all to work. This may get some people contributing tax quicker.

Who said anything about paying asylum seekers cash in hand?

Baffled!

karmalady

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

Primrose they will all have experience of working in one sector or another. They have had lives before you know - lives that were turned upside down through no fault of their own, necessitating them to seek refuge.

Oh cry me a river! 🤭 They are economic migrants in the main.

Most of those filmed on the boats are young teenage boys. Doubt they have experience in anything.

Being resilient and using their initiative?

sent by their families who would like to join them for out `free` healthcare and a council house

What's that got to do with working?

In any case, you need to find out what it's really like for asylum seekers.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be better that they're earning some money, probably doing the jobs nobody else wants to do.

GrannyGravy13

If and it’s a big if people can be cleared to work after bein here for six months why on earth can their asylum claim not be sorted in this time?

Surely the rigorous process to ascertain who they are and the reasons they are claiming asylum are the same as checks needed to work?

I am in favour of checked and cleared people working legitimately, far better than working in the black economy and the dangers of gang masters and/or slave masters.

Good question!!

Don't say it too loudly or you might find yourself being co-opted to be Home Secretary.

Actually, I think it depends on what kind of work they end up doing. In may cases, I suspect they'll end up doing menial jobs with no danger to the public, which doesn't give them the right to asylum.

Oreo

So what?
I didn’t say that asylum seekers were being given council homes.
I wondered where all the housing ( of any kind) was going to be found when there’s a lack of houses and flats to rent already.

They could build them!!