Cross partyAsylum seekers in UK should have right to work after six months!

Germanshepherdsmum

Do we not have enough bad apples already?

What an ill informed and prejudiced comment. Why on earth would you presume all those people who want to come her are bad?

Its beyond me.

I had a roofer, he messed up and ripped me off. Do I assume all roofers are bad?

We simply have to get our heads around the fact that even if SOME of these people are NOT genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants, many of them will have work skills and are keen to work and pay their way. Surely that’s a good thing?? Even when being “processed” they should be allowed to do some kind of paid work and pay their way.

It’s a ridiculous situation at the moment.

Visa could be issued showing temporary work allowed.

Very few coming over here are violent criminals

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

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Nicenanny3

Some are very young men what experience would they have had, also this would just encourage more to come over on the boats when word got around.

I very much doubt it would encourage more to come, honestly SOME of you on here make me laugh, firstly you tell us most asylum seekers are bogus, then you say they come here to drain our benefits system, and get “free” housing, now you’re saying if we allow them to work even more will come! Please do make up your minds

zakouma66

On no! petra had a bad experience with somebody re sheets. There you go, proof indeed that they are all useless.

As per your usual confusion you got the wrong end of the stick.
I won’t bother explaining as that would cause you more confusion.

Chestnut

Casdon the birth rate may be dropping but one third of all births are to foreign born mums. And my daughter in pre-natal is busier than ever. Not an alternative reality but our reality.

Your daughter is busier than ever because nurses, doctors and midwife’s are leaving in their droves!

What difference does it make who their mothers are and I simply do agree that one third of all babies born are to “foreign born mums” I’m a foreign born Mum, but have British parents and a British passport!

Cossy

Chestnut

Casdon the birth rate may be dropping but one third of all births are to foreign born mums. And my daughter in pre-natal is busier than ever. Not an alternative reality but our reality.

Your daughter is busier than ever because nurses, doctors and midwife’s are leaving in their droves!

What difference does it make who their mothers are and I simply do agree that one third of all babies born are to “foreign born mums” I’m a foreign born Mum, but have British parents and a British passport!

Yes - what is this thing about "foreign born mums?"

petra

zakouma66

On no! petra had a bad experience with somebody re sheets. There you go, proof indeed that they are all useless.

As per your usual confusion you got the wrong end of the stick.
I won’t bother explaining as that would cause you more confusion.

" you usual confusion" ? What does that mean?

Is it a bit like " your usual rudeness"

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Mo Farah is not even his real name! He was illegally trafficked in from Somalia under that name which was another child.

In 2022 one third of all births in the UK were to foreign born mums which is staggering. How can we keep up with this?

Hmmm! Now let me think! There are the children of Mrs Sunak, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Tugendhat, Mrs Jenrick, Mrs Davies (David TC), Mrs Bridgen, Mrs Malthouse and Mrs Raab. Disgraceful!

Primrose53

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Mo Farah is not even his real name! He was illegally trafficked in from Somalia under that name which was another child.

Well, let's give his gold medals to Somalia!

My MP was born to a foreign-born mother.

Freya5

growstuff

Primrose53

Construction workers? Wouldn’t like to live in a house built by someone with no experience. Or most of the others jobs mentioned come to that.

I'd be quite happy to use a toilet cleaned by somebody without experience.

Toilet is not going to fall on your head, is it. Ridiculous analogy.

No, it's not. Toilet cleaners would go in the category "other jobs".

Incidentally, there are jobs on building sites for people with no experience. And anyway, foreign countries do have builders. I seem to remember when Poland joined the EU, loads of people were grateful for Polish builders and tradespeople - no different for people from Afghanistan or Iran.

Primrose53

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Mo Farah is not even his real name! He was illegally trafficked in from Somalia under that name which was another child.

"Born in Somalia and raised in the country's capital as it sank into a ruinous civil war, Farah was brought to Britain as an eight-year-old by his father. Contrary to reports that he was a refugee, the young boy was able to enter the United Kingdom because of his father's long-term residence here. "

Really Primrose he was illegally trafficked? Even if he had been, he was an 8 year old boy escaping a civil war. Where is your compassion?

foxie48

Primrose53

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Mo Farah is not even his real name! He was illegally trafficked in from Somalia under that name which was another child.

"Born in Somalia and raised in the country's capital as it sank into a ruinous civil war, Farah was brought to Britain as an eight-year-old by his father. Contrary to reports that he was a refugee, the young boy was able to enter the United Kingdom because of his father's long-term residence here. "

Really Primrose he was illegally trafficked? Even if he had been, he was an 8 year old boy escaping a civil war. Where is your compassion?

Rubbish! His father died when he was 4. He was “pushed” into telling the truth about his background a few years ago on TV. It was very interesting but still left some questions unanswered. It was a teacher who took him under his wing when he was finally allowed to go to school.

He was trafficked by people he didn’t know and forced to work as a domestic “slave”.

I do hate it when people comment on compassion when they know nothing about any of us.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62123886

Primrose53 that’s correct, he finally decided to come clean about his background as he felt ashamed of it he said.
A lot of kids were trafficked this way poor things and made to work like slaves with well off African families here in the UK.

growstuff

*In 2022 one third of all births in the UK were to foreign born mums which is staggering. How can we keep up with this?*

Hmmm! Now let me think! There are the children of Mrs Sunak, Mrs Hunt, Mrs Tugendhat, Mrs Jenrick, Mrs Davies (David TC), Mrs Bridgen, Mrs Malthouse and Mrs Raab. Disgraceful!

Firstly, zakouma66 no-one anywhere has ever said that 'all those people who want to come here are bad'! Such exaggeration. Some of them are though.

One third of all births is a huge number of births. Just because a few of them may end up in professions makes no difference to the staggering numbers.

I agree we keep hearing the same old same old. That we need immigrant workers because we are totally incapable of educating our own citizens and running our own country.

What nationality are the fathers?

Or, more to the point, where were the fathers born?

Educating a population for exactly the right number of jobs needed takes decades and a crystal ball. It requires the ability to foresee changes in the workforce brought about by technology, economic and other factors. It's not so long ago that hundreds of thousands of people were employed in the branches of high street banks, for example. It allows a country to be far more flexible and innovative if a workforce is mobile, which means making use of immigrants.

Not only that, but as a population becomes more educated, there will always be jobs which people don't want to and won't do. People who have tramped halfway round the world in dangerous circumstances don't want to do them either, but they accept them to earn money. Most of them will be aspirational (that's why they risked so much) and will study to improve their job opportunities. They need a constant supply of people following them on the same path.

Moreover, it's not always a question of people preferring benefits to low paid work. There are many towns like mine which have an extremely low unemployment rate - at the same time restaurants, shops and care and cleaning organisations can't find people because there aren't any. Goodness knows what would happen if all the foreigners in the workforce disappeared.

If they are genuine asylum seekers from oppressive regimes I think working would be a good idea. If they are chancers who just think they are on to a soft touch- no. But they shouldn’t be there in the first place. Get the navy to escort the boats back. Give them a good job to do.

nanna8

If they are genuine asylum seekers from oppressive regimes I think working would be a good idea. If they are chancers who just think they are on to a soft touch- no. But they shouldn’t be there in the first place. Get the navy to escort the boats back. Give them a good job to do.

The numbers vary from year to year and even month to month. As has been pointed out, there seems to have been a recent influx from Vietnam - I'm not sure why - I guess people smuggling networks are geeing ever more "efficient". However, the majority of asylum seekers are genuinely from oppressive regimes.

Primrose53

foxie48

Primrose53

BlueBelle

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Mo Farah is not even his real name! He was illegally trafficked in from Somalia under that name which was another child.

"Born in Somalia and raised in the country's capital as it sank into a ruinous civil war, Farah was brought to Britain as an eight-year-old by his father. Contrary to reports that he was a refugee, the young boy was able to enter the United Kingdom because of his father's long-term residence here. "

Really Primrose he was illegally trafficked? Even if he had been, he was an 8 year old boy escaping a civil war. Where is your compassion?

Rubbish! His father died when he was 4. He was “pushed” into telling the truth about his background a few years ago on TV. It was very interesting but still left some questions unanswered. It was a teacher who took him under his wing when he was finally allowed to go to school.

He was trafficked by people he didn’t know and forced to work as a domestic “slave”.

I do hate it when people comment on compassion when they know nothing about any of us.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62123886

tbh I think you have just proved my point!

Most immigrants arriving in the UK are on legal visas and do jobs in the economy - there are about 700,000 per year and they are essential. The boat arrivals are largely refugees (proven by the asylum cases once the Home Office gets round to them) and although there will be a small minority of potential criminals I think they should be allowed to work. The Tories have blown the boat arrivals out of all proportion, demonized them and failed to process their asylum cases efficiently. Rwanda is an evil joke.

Grantanow

Most immigrants arriving in the UK are on legal visas and do jobs in the economy - there are about 700,000 per year and they are essential. The boat arrivals are largely refugees (proven by the asylum cases once the Home Office gets round to them) and although there will be a small minority of potential criminals I think they should be allowed to work. The Tories have blown the boat arrivals out of all proportion, demonized them and failed to process their asylum cases efficiently. Rwanda is an evil joke.

They are asylum seekers, not refugees..