Immigration and migrants

PuddyCat

Your whataboutery is exemplary cossy, nice deflection there.

What a nasty comment Puddycat, no wonder some posters feel that they cannot post here anymore. Sadly for those like you I have a much thicker skin and won’t be bullied off here!

Very balanced response from you…not!

“ I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.”

Puddycat

Whilst I accept these groups of young men are “undesirable”, and “unwanted” they’re not actually breaking the law, smoking in an outdoor cafe, where this allowed and being “loud” “uncouth” and “lacking respect” isn’t appropriate or desirable behaviour but it’s also not against the law. On the other hand vigilantly teyoe groups are and as unfair as it seems the “natives” were probably the ones flaunting the law.

Our own large and once busy High Street is a no go area most of the time due to the number of begging addicts and homeless people. Most of them are Brits. Many have been helped in the past and due to shortages in addiction services cannot be helped by our large homeless charities as their rules (rightly) don’t allow drugs or alcohol on their premises.

We have many issues in this country, immigration is one of them.

Your whataboutery is exemplary cossy, nice deflection there.

Puddycat

The easy way to stop this is to allow them to do some kind of work whilst they’re waiting to be “processed” and to speed up the processing and to prevent them being placed in large groups together.

They are, in the main, probably no difference to the hordes of our own young men not working long school summer holidays.

We have lots of issues in our area with our own lovely home grown youths in large groups out and about, especially at this time of the year when exams finish.

LizzieDrip

^Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants^

Absolutely Willow. Arguably this government has been deliberately slow on these issues in order to maintain the narrative. All the £millions wasted on the Rwanda plan could have been used to address them.

Do you have numbers to prove that EU are stopping more smugglers, do have have UK numbers of smugglers arrested
You do realise these criminals are very ade at at evading capture, their empire stretches worlwide.
March this year the NCA , arrested six men, Algerians and Moroccans on suspicion of people smuggling. Wonder if they themselves came over on boats and were welcomed by the gullible. Just because you don't hear about the work doesn't mean it's not happening.

Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.

I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.

utterbliss

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

I’m guessing here you’re expecting posters like myself to have an epiphany and say “yes, that’s me” and stop being what some on here would call being a “do gooder”, or worse, a “virtue signaller”

I’ve always tried hard to post extremely balanced views and to see both sides of the coin.

I speak from experience of both work, paid and voluntary, and people I know.

We live in a large seaside town in the South East, so not some tiny backwater unaffected by any current issues.

If people wish to “label” posters as the aforementioned, that’s their right, and I thank the lord always every day, that through an accident of birth, I live in a country which has been free from a large war in my lifetime and where we are free to freely express our views, beliefs and opinions.

Funny though that’s it’s ok to label compassionate empathetic people who genuinely care about their fellow humans, yet it’s not ok to label others as narrow minded bigots. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

No one should stop posting just because others don’t agree with their comments. This should be a “safe space” for us all to express our views, within set guidelines, without being completely insulting to others who might have totally opposite beliefs.

All of us, either consciously or subconsciously, are shaped by our own life experiences. Prejudice is a terrible thing.

Well said, MillieBoris and Oreo.
I dare say some of the posters on here don’t live in a town like ours, where they feel as though they don’t belong any more.
I still don’t understand what’s wrong with living in France, or any other European country, instead of risking an unnecessary Channel crossing.

Curlywhirly

MaggsMcG

The people that live near to these hotels and blocks of flats they are living in tell a different story. They aren't political. It's not false information that they are being given somewhere to live when there are thousands of people born in the country homeless.

Just for balance - I live in a 'naice' leafy area of Cheshire and a hotel not 200 yards from me has been used for the last 12 months to house immigrant families. Neighbours were initially up in arms at the decision, fearing all sorts of dangers. I can honestly say that as far as I know, they have caused absolutely no trouble. On passing the hotel whilst taking my dog for daily walks, the children and their parents are polite, wave and some ask to pet the dog. They are well mannered and respectful. Not all those that arrive here seeking asylum are to be feared.

Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.

Just because this thread is about immigration, read this morning that the one and only person sent to Rwanda so far, with lots of support, has disappeared. Not sure if it was a spoof report.

Oreo, your post is succinct, and so true.

Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants

Absolutely Willow. Arguably this government has been deliberately slow on these issues in order to maintain the narrative. All the £millions wasted on the Rwanda plan could have been used to address them.

MaggsMcG

The people that live near to these hotels and blocks of flats they are living in tell a different story. They aren't political. It's not false information that they are being given somewhere to live when there are thousands of people born in the country homeless.

Just for balance - I live in a 'naice' leafy area of Cheshire and a hotel not 200 yards from me has been used for the last 12 months to house immigrant families. Neighbours were initially up in arms at the decision, fearing all sorts of dangers. I can honestly say that as far as I know, they have caused absolutely no trouble. On passing the hotel whilst taking my dog for daily walks, the children and their parents are polite, wave and some ask to pet the dog. They are well mannered and respectful. Not all those that arrive here seeking asylum are to be feared.

Spot on, Oreo.

utterbliss

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

The useful idiots aren’t on the same side of this discussion as the virtue signallers. Enough said.

The thing is Lizziedrip that there are those who think along those lines but most people just want a halt to this uncontrolled and illegal migration as we don’t have a clue if they have a criminal record, have MH issues or anything else.We know the country isn’t full up, but migrants can’t live in the fields and woods and eventually need houses/flats to live in ( in an urban area.)
The NHS is already failing us in many ways so they add to that burden.
There are real and serious issues involved when on just one day given calm weather we can take in hundreds of people from small boats.Just one day.Multiply that week on week, month by month, year on year.Those kind of figures are staggering.

Lillyflower, You have summed up the whole point of this thread, very amusing.

I so agree with" LUXURY BELIEFS " + " VIRTUE SIGNALLING " + " USEFUL IDIOTS "
I wonder if people will recognise themselves in these descriptions.

zakouma66

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.

You can’t change the world you have to accept you can only influence things close to you, if you are lucky your own family, if not your own life at least.

In the UK we live in a democracy, we may approve or disapprove of any policy but it is the will of the majority and we have to accept that.

We have a wide range of opinion on GN plenty left wing a few right wing, it makes for good discussion, we are all anonymous and can speak or mind without social consequences. Try doing that face to face and there is quickly a fall out, you can’t discuss sex, politics or religion with friends, you can on GN.

Indeed, LizzieDrip.

Thats not to say we, like many countries in Europe, don't have to act much more effectively on smuggling gangs, nor speed up the processing and return of purely economic migrants

Or, what about the ‘useful idiots’ who believe that … the UK is full; that most asylum seekers and immigrants are criminals; that the decline of the NHS has been caused by immigrants; that immigrants are given a council house immediately. These ‘idiots’ are indeed very useful to the government because they perpetuate the narrative that all the country’s problems are the fault of immigrants rather than government ineptitude. NHS waiting lists, lack of GPs = immigrants (not lack of funding). Crime = immigrants (not lack of police). Can’t get a council house = immigrants (not lack of social house building).

Usually posters who announce they are going to flounce then don't.

I expect zakouma will resume normal service after a stiff coffee.

No need to stop posting zakouma66
Forums need many different views. The world is on the move and it’s a real problem for the West as that’s where people want to move to.Because they want to isn’t a reason to allow it in vast numbers tho.

zakouma66

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.

You can’t believe it because you don’t want to. You need to take your rose tinted spectacles off.😉

Lilyflower

This debate reminds me of ‘luxury beliefs’ defined initially as follows :-

‘A luxury belief is an idea or opinion that confers status on members of the upper class at little cost, while inflicting costs on persons in lower classes. The term is often applied to privileged individuals who are seen as disconnected from the lived experiences of impoverished and marginalized people.‘

Clearly, as with ‘virtue signalling’, the concept has been adopted by the aspiring elite and those who actually would be negatively affected by their beliefs.

Another helpful definition is that of the ‘useful idiot’. These are ‘ a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.’

Now that did make me smile, a good term ‘luxury belief’ and it likely fits a lot of people.You know, the ones who stop criminals on planes from being deported, the ones who say people are people, let them all stay here, the ones who say no borders! The ones who refuse to believe that any foreigner can be bad but their own country is terrible.Luxury beliefs and useful idiots.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Please don't attack me or label me as virtue signaling or flouncing.

I will try my hardest not to post any more.

I seriously can not believe what I'm reading and I fear for the future with this level of dischord.

People are people. Its desperately sad.