Immigration and migrants

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Interesting links, foxie48. It begs the question WHY can't we handle immigration as efficiently as others?

I doubt anyone wants to stop immigration completely, rather they want it controlled so that we only accept those who have skills that we need, and who can speak the language.

We grant asylum to approximately the same percentage of refugees as the EU and have far fewer to process than many European countries and we do it much less efficiently. Lots of current info for anyone who is interested in facts in this link
commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/promoting-our-european-way-life/statistics-migration-europe_en#seeking-asylum-in-europe

For anyone thinking that stopping immigration totally is a good idea, they might like to look at what is happening in Japan. It has a rapidly ageing but long lived population, falling birthrate, is in an economic decline and is extremely zenophobic with few migrant workers. The link below is also worth a read
www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2020/03/shrinkanomics-policy-lessons-from-japan-on-population-aging-schneider

I suppose the EU countries stick together and apply the same EU rule on immigration. Perhaps we should join them

Now there’s a good idea Greta👏

I suppose the EU countries stick together and apply the same EU rule on immigration. Perhaps we should join them!

Spot on, Freya.

MaizieD

Oreo

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Try re-reading what I actually wrote. Then think about the percentage of applications that are currently granted (65%) and do some maths.

Granted here but refused in other EU countries. No wonder we are seen as soft touch.

Oreo

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Try re-reading what I actually wrote. Then think about the percentage of applications that are currently granted (65%) and do some maths.

Maybe they would tell a story along the lines of, " I'm an orthopedic surgeon from Syria"

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Not sure at all about that.
Those that were eventually refused asylum may still take their chances and head for the rubber dinghies and try their luck again once here, maybe with a different story to tell.

Give Labour a chance? You must be joking.

This government has had almost 14 years to sort this out - for how long have we had the current problem?

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

I simply cannot see how it can get much worse. This govt has had almost 14 years to sort this out, and despite Brexit both legally arriving migrants and asylum seekers have grown year on year.

At least give labour a chance!

Give Labour a chance?🤣🤣🤣. You lot want them all here witness protests in London today.

I have a great idea utterbliss. Let's ban anyone who wasn't born in the UK from working in the NHS - that's sure to bring down the waiting times for ops (or maybe not ).

Wyllow3

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

This s why only a pan European approach with very good police resourcing - not to mention more shadow services working undercover - has any chance of success, along with faster processing.

"In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed." this means relationships with these countries could deteriorate - no gain for anyone.

Of course that's needed. Unfortunately, funding for those kind of activities has been just about halved since 2010.

utterbliss

Thank you, GSM for taking the time to read my point accurately.

I wonder if some of the people who are so welcoming to illegal migrants would feel the same if they had like me been on a NHS waiting list since February 2023.

I don't see why not. I doubt very much whether the number of immigrants (especially those you deem "illegal") affects how long you have to wait for an operation.

I am on a waiting list too utterbliss but it's not the fault of asylum seekers!

I'm fortunate however that I can wait and that my operation will be life-enhancing rather than an emergency one.

Im sorry you’re waiting for an operation, but those people you refer to know that the length of time you’ve been on an NHS waiting list is down to lack of government funding for the NHS utterbliss, not down to an influx of an additional small percentage of young fit men to the UK. The two issues don’t conflate.

Thank you, GSM for taking the time to read my point accurately.

I wonder if some of the people who are so welcoming to illegal migrants would feel the same if they had like me been on a NHS waiting list since February 2023.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

This s why only a pan European approach with very good police resourcing - not to mention more shadow services working undercover - has any chance of success, along with faster processing.

"In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed." this means relationships with these countries could deteriorate - no gain for anyone.

Germanshepherdsmum

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

No, they're not. Some manage to get flights and arrive by plane. Others overstay legal visas.

France receives more asylum applications than the UK. Moreover, they tend to be people from different countries - those with a historical link with France - who have less valid reasons than those seeking asylum in the UK.

In any case, if countries pushed asylum seekers back to the country they'd just come from, countries such as Greece and Italy would be completely overwhelmed.

Cossy

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

And further afield too.

The government's plan was to make it illegal then send to Rwanda.

It didnt work, more came in than before.

The narrative has got more and more immigrant hating from the government. Blame ills on them.

People have a right to claim asylum.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

I simply cannot see how it can get much worse. This govt has had almost 14 years to sort this out, and despite Brexit both legally arriving migrants and asylum seekers have grown year on year.

At least give labour a chance!

Callistemon21 once on the boat and starting to leave another smuggling gang showed up (with another load of people -from Sudan I think) - and forced them in a rush to push onto the same boat. I understood this lot should have been on a different boat - but may have misunderstood that bit?

The father had no control over that aspect.
He is also a victim in this you know.