Immigration and migrants

MaizieD

Setting up a processing centre in France and allowing successful applicants to cross to the UK by conventional means would at least drastically cut down the traffickers available customer base. Then we might have a better chance of catching the chancers and returning them to their country of origin.

I agree. A good strategy

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

100% agree 👏👏

Primrose53

711 illegal immigrants arrived on boats yesterday. If the good weather continues it will be running into 1,000s every day.
This just cannot continue!

Yes 711 on 14 boats, I think some of the French police are getting big brown envelopes from the smugglers to wave them off.

All of them are coming from France, a safe country (but apparently not such a soft touch as we are when it comes to granting asylum).

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

All of them?

Cossy

I have to comment on a new thread about some of the comments on here relating to immigrants, entering either via illegal means or via correct channels.

Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.

Often, but not always, they've made arduous physically and emotionally demanding journeys just to reach Europe. Often, but not always, their second language is English and sometimes they have links to the UK.

1% of our population!

Yet so much time is given to portraying them in the media as men pretending to be boys, criminals, exploiters, scroungers etc etc etc

Perhaps before swallowing all the "bad" stories about immigrants portrayed in our media, encouraged by our govt., you should, a) remember these people are human beings, b) we are here safe and sound only due to an accident of birth.

If you must "blame" someone for this situation, blame the corrupt govts from which many of these people come, blame the traffickers, blame our inept govt.

We could (not saying we should!) have housed every single asylum seeker in the last two years using the money our govt has so freely given to France and Rwanda.

Think and research before you negatively comment about immigrants.

Agree with your views on the issue which has been occuring in many countries on the Mediterranean as well.

"If you must blame someone for this situation, blame the corrupt governments from which many of these people come, blame the traffickers, blame the inept governments worldwide"

Indeed it cannot. Much as I am enjoying the calm weather at present, it has a definite downside - and if anyone describes these people as ‘desperate’ again I will scream. They are not desperate. They are in a safe country. They are cunning. I could use other adjectives but would be banned.

If Labour get in we can look forward to much, much more of the same.

They certainly haven’t all arrived by boat if these estimates are correct.
www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN26L2EH/

711 illegal immigrants arrived on boats yesterday. If the good weather continues it will be running into 1,000s every day.
This just cannot continue!

fancythat

fancythat

Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.

1% is a huge number.

Personally, I wouldnt enter a country illegally[I thought those that came in boats were not illegal].

I in no way think that is ok.

Makes me question those people who think it is ok.

So. What do you do that is illegal?
Where are your personal boundaries on illegal activity?
Do you even have any boundaries.

Even I am getting annoyed by it all now.

If people think 1% of illegals are ok, then what trouble we are all in, in the Uk.

And it all reflects badly, on those other immigrants who are here, perfectly justly and legally.

The more I am thinking about this thread, the more cross I am becoming[it may not help I have been to the dentist today].

A Bible equivalent verse may be this one.
People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving. Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold though it costs him all the wealth of his house.

Do you have statistics?

Most “illegals” are those who come in on temporary visas and disappear, not those who come in boats.

Is that 1% every year?

Cossy

Primrose53

“Namsnanny
GrannyGravy13
foxie48 on the BBC interview it was said the children have only known life in the West, I think some if not all three were born in Europe.
All I was told was the poor little one was trampled to death.

Why would a parent put his baby girl at risk if they already live in Europe?
Quite. He had already been refused asylum in Belgium and Sweden so why did he think England was going to grant him asylum?”

Because he was desperate and felt he had no option, with a very few days he and his entire family were being deported to Basra due to Sweden deeming it a safe place. Tragic.

That is different to what I have read. They only “feared” they would be sent back to Basra and there was no mention that it might be in a few days.

I watched very experienced journalist Peter Hutchins on TV last night who has lived and worked all over the world including countless war zones. He said whilst he is hugely sympathetic that the little girl died and he does know all about “desperation” why didn’t he consider that it is the busiest shipping lane in the world, his daughter is very young and it was an extremely dangerous thing to even attempt.
That’s how I feel about it too.😢

fancythat

^Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.^

1% is a huge number.

Personally, I wouldnt enter a country illegally[I thought those that came in boats were not illegal].

I in no way think that is ok.

Makes me question those people who think it is ok.

So. What do you do that is illegal?
Where are your personal boundaries on illegal activity?
Do you even have any boundaries.

Even I am getting annoyed by it all now.

If people think 1% of illegals are ok, then what trouble we are all in, in the Uk.

And it all reflects badly, on those other immigrants who are here, perfectly justly and legally.

Aveline

I was listening to a man who worked with migrants. He was saying that it's the people smugglers that potential migrants listen to. They promise them that the UK will welcome them and give them homes, jobs and access to education. The information that they are not going to be well received just doesn't get through to them hence their chilly welcome on arrival here by 'rubber taxi' comes as a surprise.
He also said that the smugglers are highly stratified ie the people actually steering the boats etc nicer know the middle men and these, in turn, don't know the big bosses. Stamping it out is going to be well nigh impossible.

I was living in Bulgaria when they joined the eu. I had lots of Bulgarian friends who couldn’t wait to come here.
All they could think of was the wages so I went through practically everything we have to pay here. I even pointed to my glasses and told them what they cost.
Did they listen, no, but they did return home. I know they thought I was lying.

I think utterbliss was thinking about it happening here, at least that’s how I read it.

Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.

1% is a huge number.

Personally, I wouldnt enter a country illegally[I thought those that came in boats were not illegal].

I in no way think that is ok.

Makes me question those people who think it is ok.

So. What do you do that is illegal?
Where are your personal boundaries on illegal activity?
Do you even have any boundaries.

utterbliss

If a British father subjected his child to this experience and terrible death. He would be investigated by Social Services and probably finish up in prison.

I don't think British social services would send somebody thousands of miles to investigate somebody who hadn't lived in the country for years.

If a British father subjected his child to this experience and terrible death. He would be investigated by Social Services and probably finish up in prison.

Greta

The 7 year old girl would only have been given Swedish citizenship if the mother was Swedish.

Thanks Greta, I wasn't sure.

I believe the asylum seeker married his wife in Belgium or Sweden but I don't know her nationality.

The 7 year old girl would only have been given Swedish citizenship if the mother was Swedish.

I don't think we'll ever know unless he's interviewed
He was interviewed last night. Poor man, he was shouting out and trying to save his daughter and he is racked with guilt now.

Wyllow3

Yes, It was alluded to on the other thread, but the interpretation was given as an example of how nasty immigrants (all?) are.

If you are alluding to my post on the other thread, then this is what I actually said:

I was thinking about that little girl who drowned, were grown men, who hadn't paid, fighting and pushing to try to get on the boat and pushed her off? 😥

Which is more or less what happened except that she was trampled and suffocated by grown men fighting to get on the boat. Horrific.

I did not mention all immigrants so do not twist what I said.

There is no way that can be made to sound any better.

Dinahmo

Did anyone see the BBC News at 6? There was an item about the little girl who died last week when trying to cross the channel. Apparently she was trodden on by other immigrants trying to get onto the boat. She was 7, the youngest of 3 and had lived in Europe all her life.

An unintended consequence of the UK govt's intransigence in dealing with asylum seekers.

Why?

The family had never been to England.
The family lived in Belgium and Sweden, the father was refused asylum in those countries on several occasions. I do not know what nationality the mother is but were the children registered with Belgian, Swedish or Iraqi citizenship?