Immigration and migrants

Elless

Just think what cancer sufferers could do with the £4bn+ these 1% cost.

Please don’t be naive enough to think this money would be used for the NHS, most of cancer research, brain tumour research etc is funded by charities and lottery funding.

Most people with cancer in this country receive excellent treatment from our NHS. My own father sadly had three different primary cancers and received excellent treatment, sadly his last cancer was pancreatic for which currently there are very few treatment options.

HousePlantQueen

Ref GSM proudly announcing that she classifies all human rights lawyers the same ie she condemns them. I have had some awful experiences and service from conveyancing and property lawyers, as has my husband (an architect working part of his career for big developers). Luckily we do not condemn the entire profession based on our experience, let alone on the nonsense churned out by the right wing press. Condemnation of any group, whether it be lawyers or people seeking asylum, based on pure prejudice, is unfair.

condemnation of any group, whether it be lawyers or people seeking asylum based on pure prejudice is unfair.

Let alone on the nonsense churned out by the right wing press

Is condemnation of The Right Wing Press acceptable by the above standards then?

Are all contributors to the Right Wing Press the same in thought word and deed?

I honestly don't think most of us can see when prejudice is applied.

Just think what cancer sufferers could do with the £4bn+ these 1% cost.

Ref GSM proudly announcing that she classifies all human rights lawyers the same ie she condemns them. I have had some awful experiences and service from conveyancing and property lawyers, as has my husband (an architect working part of his career for big developers). Luckily we do not condemn the entire profession based on our experience, let alone on the nonsense churned out by the right wing press. Condemnation of any group, whether it be lawyers or people seeking asylum, based on pure prejudice, is unfair.

Chestnut

Cossy Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.
You sound as though that's just a small number and of no consequence. Yet we had 45,000 entering illegally just last year. The population is 67 million, which should be quite enough for a country the size of a pocket handkerchief. In 2001 it was 8 million less!

We cannot sustain this level of immigration or provide homes and services for so many people. Those who cannot get into proper employment and support themselves may end up joining drug gangs for easy money, thus creating more problems.

I’m simply stating that in the great scheme of things it’s a very low number, certainly a lot lower than those legally migrating, who are just as likely to take up resources etc and I agree immigration needs overhauling and properly handled.

Some people appear to feel that those entering our country via illegal means are the cause of all this country woes, I don’t agree.

Cossy Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.
You sound as though that's just a small number and of no consequence. Yet we had 45,000 entering illegally just last year. The population is 67 million, which should be quite enough for a country the size of a pocket handkerchief. In 2001 it was 8 million less!

We cannot sustain this level of immigration or provide homes and services for so many people. Those who cannot get into proper employment and support themselves may end up joining drug gangs for easy money, thus creating more problems.

Germanshepherdsmum

They stretch our resources still further - but what do they care?

That’s not strictly true, since until they are processed they have no recourse to public funding so children cannot go to school, they cannot use GPS or hospitals unless they are very unwell or giving birth and they don’t qualify for regular housing, or housing benefit.

Incidentally, I truly believe most of us on here would welcome an end to the small boat, albeit for different reasons and would also welcome a far more efficient and effective system for processing applications and a robust system for economic migrants. Those of us seemingly supporting migrants are probably doing so to balance and combat some of the unfair comments levelled at migrants.

Oreo "Am sure that working with individuals who are refugees gives an insight into their past, presuming it’s an honest tale.For some it will be, for others not so much.
Being filled with the milk of human kindness and wishing all who jump on boats to get here could stay just isn’t reasonable tho.Not saying that you want that but some do."

Working with refugees gave me more than an insight into their past. Refugees are people just like you and me with the same need for being safe and feeling that they have a future. No one needs to be "filled with the milk of human kindness" to appreciate that, just being a normal human is enough but the demonising of people arriving here on small boats in some of our media IMO gives some people licence to see them as less than we are. They are not, they have just been very unlucky in their place of birth and we have not. For the record I believe we should offer asylum to those who need it and not to those who do not.

* Namsnanny*

In that case I apologise. But you are wrong, I speak only from experience not from any kind of rose tinted spectacles. I’m always willing to learn and educate myself and also admit if I am wrong.

Maybe my original post did come across as “preachy” and “antagonistic” but that was never my intention.

Cossy

Namsnanny

It’s one thing to disagree with someone, that’s your right.

There’s no need to be so rude. I’d be more than happy to for you to post any links you have to your research, it maybe something I’ve not read or know about.

Well, we shall have to differ on yet another subject, ie definition of rude.
I categorised your speech.
Then suggested a reason for your emotional post.

None of it was meant to be rude, just truthful observation.
An example of rudeness is, if I'd told you where to put your opinions.
Now that is unequivocally rude.

Although I will give it to you that my description of your choice of words was harsh, - but I think fair.

As for giving endless links and counter points, why?

You have made it abundantly clear of your inability to view the subject through an unemotive, lens.

They stretch our resources still further - but what do they care?

Elless

I disagree with most of these comments, it is my personal view which I am entitled to.
I will just ask, how much money is it costing to keep these people?
Our health service is suffering
Our pensioners are suffering
Our education system is suffering -
Charity begins at home

Blame your govt and your “own” people for “allegedly” bleeding our systems dry with all their fit notes for mental health conditions, but to blame less than 1% of our overall population for NHS. Housing and teaching shortages is ludicrous!

I disagree with most of these comments, it is my personal view which I am entitled to.
I will just ask, how much money is it costing to keep these people?
Our health service is suffering
Our pensioners are suffering
Our education system is suffering -
Charity begins at home

Sorry that, not tha

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, Cossy, I am asking how many appeal decisions you have read. You say that ‘sometimes there is a need for an asylum seeker to honestly appeal ‘. The use of the word ‘honestly’ is interesting.

None actually. Are they in the public domain? Surely you can accept that they should have the right to appeal, though according to what I’ve read today in the HoC library, there are very few tha can actually appeal any more?

westendgirl

Thank you Cossy for your original post, which would not qualify as a sermon or lecture by any means.I think another post was needed after the others had become quite unpleasant.
I have seen mentions of "our people"in those posts and before this phrase crops up again I would like to clarify if that referred to the Celts, the Picts ,the Romans,the Anglo Saxons, the Normans the Gaelic Scots, the Huguenots, the Moors, the Danes , to name but a few . Does anyone know ?

Our own or own people refers to any native born Britain or any one from any nationality who have settled here through legal means.That help the confusion?

Ladyleftfieldlover

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps, if you don’t want to undergo all that, don’t come here.

That’s a ridiculous comment GSM.
I wonder where your heart is?

In the right place but not being waved about all over the place on forums I would say.

Thank you Cossy for your original post, which would not qualify as a sermon or lecture by any means.I think another post was needed after the others had become quite unpleasant.
I have seen mentions of "our people"in those posts and before this phrase crops up again I would like to clarify if that referred to the Celts, the Picts ,the Romans,the Anglo Saxons, the Normans the Gaelic Scots, the Huguenots, the Moors, the Danes , to name but a few . Does anyone know ?

Oreo

That’s why there’s a rush to get baptised.

What were you replying to, Oreo ?

Too right Oreo. On the advice of those lovely human rights lawyers we are all paying.

Yes, Cossy, I am asking how many appeal decisions you have read. You say that ‘sometimes there is a need for an asylum seeker to honestly appeal ‘. The use of the word ‘honestly’ is interesting.

That’s why there’s a rush to get baptised.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ASYLUM CLAIM IS SUCCESSFUL?
Asylum support both in terms of cash allowance and accommodation ceases either 21 or 28 days (depending on the level of support) after the decision to award refugee status is made.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CLAIM FOR ASYLUM FAILS?
Once a person’s claim for asylum has been refused, the Home Office will write advising that the individual needs to leave the UK. Support that they have been receiving ceases 21 days after their asylum claim has been refused. If there are
dependent children or other significant factors, then some support may continue on a discretionary basis. Occasionally, there may be support from a Local Authority, particularly if there is a “child in need”. All NHS hospital care will be charged to the individual, who of course now has no income. There are a few exceptions for example, treatment of TB and emergency treatment in A and E, but in the main, all hospital care will be chargeable.

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps, if you don’t want to undergo all that, don’t come here.

That’s a ridiculous comment GSM.
I wonder where your heart is?

Interesting piece taken from the House of Commons Library

“ Some immigration decisions attract a right of appeal, but most do not. Constituents should seek advice from a solicitor or accredited immigration adviser if considering an appeal.
Appeals are generally heard by the First-tier Tribunal (Immigration and Asylum), which is administered by HM Courts and Tribunals Service. The tribunal operates in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Appealable decisions
Appeal rights for immigration refusals are quite limited.
Generally, an appeal can only be made against a refusal based on:
Human rights
International protection (asylum)
The EU Settlement Scheme
This means that most visa refusals do not have a right of appeal. The Immigration Act 2014 abolished most immigration appeal rights.”