Immigration and migrants

GSM

“Those who claim to have a trade or profession have to undergo exams to prove that they are competent and safe to work here, and they must have a sufficient command of the English language. Those who are to work with children and vulnerable people must pass the appropriate police checks, but how when there is no documentary evidence of who they are and from whence they come? Surely you can understand that?”

I completely understand and actually agree with you to a certain extent, BUT, big huge but, it takes little skill to become part of a team cleaning streets, removing refuse, assisting at a local tip/dump, to be a general labourer, to be a general cleaner as part of a team. Working with others who speak English will improve their understanding and use of English. I’m only suggesting these role until such time as they have their cases processed. We have plenty of “unskilled” roles, and we will simply have to agree to respectfully disagree that asylum seekers ALL arrive here with no English and no skills. I don’t think I suggested they should practice as lawyers ir doctors.

GSM. When we were in Corfu 4 years ago we were chatting to a young man who brought our drinks at a beachside cafe.

He said he was from Albania and we asked if he was a student working for the summer hols. He said he was a builder/electrician/plumber. He pointed to the rear of the beach cafe and said “I did all that.” You have never seen such a mess, a small extension with dreadful brickwork, electric wires just hanging loose down the wall and pipework that left my husband laughing as we left. Obviously no qualifications. 🤣🤣

I heard yesterday that the UK spends fourteen billion a year on migrants. I suppose that means the hotels cost, the legal costs, the housing costs because not all live in hotels, and any other associated costs. It’s a lot of money.

Cossy , you might as well go and get on with something else .
I am as fed up as you are with the refusal of some posters to even consider there could be ways forward. There's no chance of a reasonable debate at all .

growstuff

No, I don't need to accept blatant bigotry. The Germans in the 1930s did just that and look at what happened.

I don’t need you to tell me what happened in Nazi Germany, as you well know. It wasn’t about blatant bigotry

There are some on here that could do with a lesson on the subject and that includes you - Bigotry - an obstinate or intolerant devotion to one’s own opinions and prejudices

The only way forward with all illegal migrants who come here on dinghies is to make the asylum process a fast one.I can guarantee that most of them are economic migrants and if the asylum process was done properly and speedily and those denied leave to stay were deported quickly then it wouldn’t be such a big problem

Exactly how Labour propose to deal with the issue.

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

People don’t seem to understand that qualifications obtained in another country (even if their existence can be checked) simply cannot enable a migrant to work in the equivalent trade or profession here. Most definitely mechanics , electricians, plumbers, doctors and lawyers for instance have to pass further exams to prove that they are competent to work here and, of course, they must be able to speak the language.

I think “people” understand this only too well, but some posters are just hell bent on “poo pooing” any suggestions put forward to help alleviate this situation, which we all agree is untenable.

Let’s just blame foreigners, who clearly will never be off any use to us, rather than our govt, other govts, people smugglers and those running out black economies, so much easier to blame groups of migrants, without giving two figs about them, their backgrounds or their issues.

Let’s hope no one in this country ever finds themselves in some of the situations these people have endured, even if some of them are economic migrants.

Let’s see sensible, practical, viable suggestions Cossy, not pie in the sky ideas such as they can be gardeners and farm workers.

Those who claim to have a trade or profession have to undergo exams to prove that they are competent and safe to work here, and they must have a sufficient command of the English language. Those who are to work with children and vulnerable people must pass the appropriate police checks, but how when there is no documentary evidence of who they are and from whence they come? Surely you can understand that?

I can’t begin to imagine how a migrant with no papers, and to make matters more complicated maybe doesn’t speak English, can be speedily processed - and let’s not forget the vast numbers which arrive almost daily. The fine, calm weather has a distinct downside for us. Just how many civil servants are required in order to process these people? An unenviable job.

Germanshepherdsmum

People don’t seem to understand that qualifications obtained in another country (even if their existence can be checked) simply cannot enable a migrant to work in the equivalent trade or profession here. Most definitely mechanics , electricians, plumbers, doctors and lawyers for instance have to pass further exams to prove that they are competent to work here and, of course, they must be able to speak the language.

I think “people” understand this only too well, but some posters are just hell bent on “poo pooing” any suggestions put forward to help alleviate this situation, which we all agree is untenable.

Let’s just blame foreigners, who clearly will never be off any use to us, rather than our govt, other govts, people smugglers and those running out black economies, so much easier to blame groups of migrants, without giving two figs about them, their backgrounds or their issues.

Let’s hope no one in this country ever finds themselves in some of the situations these people have endured, even if some of them are economic migrants.

Oreo

The only way forward with all illegal migrants who come here on dinghies is to make the asylum process a fast one.I can guarantee that most of them are economic migrants and if the asylum process was done properly and speedily and those denied leave to stay were deported quickly then it wouldn’t be such a big problem.
Rwanda may or may not prove to be a deterrent.

Unless you are a processing office in the Home Office work in Border Control Oreo you cannot possibly guarantee most of them are economic migrants.

Yes, we should stop the boats and yes we should process Thee applications far more efficiently. But “we” haven’t, hence this situation.

Biscuitmuncher

1% of the population? Sometimes I go out and never hear an English voice

Approx 1% of the population make up asylum seekers, however legal migration is very large so no idea if those numbers.

I live in a very ethnic area, there were in excess of 35 languages at one point in my children’s primary school. I hear lots of native Brits speaking when I’m out, and a fair number of other languages too.

Or canny GSM as it gets his allotment dug and productive 😄

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. And many are too young to have acquired useful skills.

Well, here's an idea.

Rather than letting asylum seekers kick their feet while they're waiting for a Home Office decision, how about making training available?

I know somebody - big, burly, gruff ex-police officer, who doesn't put up with nonsense - who volunteers with asylum seekers. He's told me that the situation they're in brings him close to tears. He happens to have an allotment, so takes a group of asylum seekers with him to help out. Not only do they help with his allotment, but others have asked if they'll help them too. They now hold weekly meetings to discuss good growing techniques etc (and have a cup of tea and speak English). If they were allowed, these particular asylum seekers would be invaluable as workers in nurseries or small farms. They could even do qualifications.

Farm work and nursery work is seasonal and unlikely to pay more than minimum wage. How would that enable them to feed and house themselves? They would be another burden on the welfare state (assuming they don’t descend into a life of crime - far more lucrative). Why do Eastern European agricultural workers live in horrible conditions, save as much as possible and go home at the end of the season? This simply isn’t a viable means of support.

Of course your friend has willing volunteers - they haven’t much else to do and they’re trying to get brownie points to enable them to stay, aren’t they? For an ex-police officer your friend seems surprisingly naive.

It is indeed Oreo

This country is too soft/ inept at dealing with migrant cases and they can lead the authorities a merry old dance and still not be deported years later.It’s actually a scandal.

Callistemon21

Oreo

Making training available costs money, unless you know hundreds of big burly ex coppers prepared to train them in horticulture gratis.

Some TEFL or CELTA qualified volunteers are teaching asylum seekers and refugees English.

That’s fine if voluntary, but shouldn’t be needed until the migrant had actually been accepted for asylum.

The only way forward with all illegal migrants who come here on dinghies is to make the asylum process a fast one.I can guarantee that most of them are economic migrants and if the asylum process was done properly and speedily and those denied leave to stay were deported quickly then it wouldn’t be such a big problem.
Rwanda may or may not prove to be a deterrent.

Oreo

Making training available costs money, unless you know hundreds of big burly ex coppers prepared to train them in horticulture gratis.

Some TEFL or CELTA qualified volunteers are teaching asylum seekers and refugees English.

Making training available costs money, unless you know hundreds of big burly ex coppers prepared to train them in horticulture gratis.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. And many are too young to have acquired useful skills.

Well, here's an idea.

Rather than letting asylum seekers kick their feet while they're waiting for a Home Office decision, how about making training available?

I know somebody - big, burly, gruff ex-police officer, who doesn't put up with nonsense - who volunteers with asylum seekers. He's told me that the situation they're in brings him close to tears. He happens to have an allotment, so takes a group of asylum seekers with him to help out. Not only do they help with his allotment, but others have asked if they'll help them too. They now hold weekly meetings to discuss good growing techniques etc (and have a cup of tea and speak English). If they were allowed, these particular asylum seekers would be invaluable as workers in nurseries or small farms. They could even do qualifications.

1% of the population? Sometimes I go out and never hear an English voice

Germanshepherdsmum

People don’t seem to understand that qualifications obtained in another country (even if their existence can be checked) simply cannot enable a migrant to work in the equivalent trade or profession here. Most definitely mechanics , electricians, plumbers, doctors and lawyers for instance have to pass further exams to prove that they are competent to work here and, of course, they must be able to speak the language.

Quite!

When even Australians have to take an English exam before they can work in the NHS, and at their own expense, there needs to be funding available to teach English to a good standard too.

No-one said that Cossy

Likewise, not all are doctors, lawyers, accountants as some claim.

Many will be youths just left school.

People don’t seem to understand that qualifications obtained in another country (even if their existence can be checked) simply cannot enable a migrant to work in the equivalent trade or profession here. Most definitely mechanics , electricians, plumbers, doctors and lawyers for instance have to pass further exams to prove that they are competent to work here and, of course, they must be able to speak the language.

Sorry, appalling typos! I need to learn to always use preview.