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Whitewavemark2 Fri 03-May-24 06:52:54

It appears that the polls which are showing massive results for labour are so far correct.

The by-election in Liverpool was won by Labour with a 26% swing. That is huge!

The local elections are showing the same sort of swing away from the Tories.

MaizieD Sat 04-May-24 16:02:49

Sadiq Khan has been officially declared the winner in London.

Ilovecheese Sat 04-May-24 16:09:23

A good win as well for Sadiq Khan. Well ahead of his rivals.

Ladyleftfieldlover Sat 04-May-24 16:11:39

My three children all voted for him and every London cab driver I’ve spoken to over the months and years have supported him.

Mollygo Sat 04-May-24 16:15:48

growstuff

*if all the people who were against Brexit had voted, we wouldn’t be in this situation, but they didn’t.*

I know that, but nobody can turn the clock back. What happened is in the past and all anybody can do is make the best of the present and the future.

Exactly-but making the best of things should include learning from experience and bothering to vote.

vegansrock Sat 04-May-24 16:42:19

I voted Sadiq Khan, all the nasty racism directed at him by those who want to reverse greener policies didn’t work. He’s done a good job with transport, despite being dumped on from a great height by this government. Free school meals in primary schools is popular with parents.

Joseann Sat 04-May-24 16:51:26

I don't think it is all to do with nasty racism directed at Sadiq Khan. He's unpopular with some because he is a politician. The media just want to paint him in a bad light, as they do with anyone in a position of power. That's what we've been getting over the past few years, and I can't really see an end to it.

Sarnia Sat 04-May-24 16:54:02

MaizieD

Sadiq Khan has been officially declared the winner in London.

No solution to knife crime any time soon then.

vegansrock Sat 04-May-24 16:55:33

The media are mostly Tory and have historically been more critical of Labour policies it’s true, but much of the online stuff was truly vile.

RosiesMaw Sat 04-May-24 16:55:53

Sadie Khan is very popular in many areas not least since on his watch every primary school child is entitled to have a hot school dinner.

Joseann Sat 04-May-24 16:56:05

Sarnia

MaizieD

Sadiq Khan has been officially declared the winner in London.

No solution to knife crime any time soon then.

Yes. Crime is the area Khan really needs to be seen to be tackling as a priority.

vegansrock Sat 04-May-24 17:01:34

Given that Johnson shut loads of police stations and PCSOs and youth services have been cut to nothing, I’m not sure how people expect knife crime to easily be reduced. Other cities have a higher level of violent crime proportional to the population, but people seem to think Khan is to blame for crime in Birmingham, Nottingham etc. if anyone thinks Susan Hall had the answer they are delusional.

TheatreLover Sat 04-May-24 17:10:06

I voted for Sadiq Khan and am so pleased that he has been re-elected. The ULEZ measures, and LTNs (low traffic neighbourhoods), are probably more popular than the press would have us believe.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 04-May-24 17:10:19

The Tories have asked for a re-count for Midlands - Street.

Does this suggest a possible lose?

MaizieD Sat 04-May-24 17:18:25

Sarnia

MaizieD

Sadiq Khan has been officially declared the winner in London.

No solution to knife crime any time soon then.

So, if you were Mayor of London, Sarnia, how would you cut down (no pun intended) on knife crime?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 04-May-24 17:27:59

Thank goodness Hill has got her racist and hate filled comeuppance

Rosie51 Sat 04-May-24 17:35:49

Ilovecheese

A good win as well for Sadiq Khan. Well ahead of his rivals.

However more people voted against him than voted for him. I wonder if he'd have been returned if it hadn't gone to a straight first past the post this year instead of the SV system used before. Probably, but I preferred the supplementary vote system, more people get a candidate they're happy with, and it does open the door to independents rather than just the main parties.

Joseann Sat 04-May-24 17:36:41

She certainly wasn't the best choice to stand. I don't like her either.
Her surname is Hall.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 04-May-24 17:38:16

Joseann

She certainly wasn't the best choice to stand. I don't like her either.
Her surname is Hall.

🙂

MaizieD Sat 04-May-24 18:05:44

Rosie51

Ilovecheese

A good win as well for Sadiq Khan. Well ahead of his rivals.

However more people voted against him than voted for him. I wonder if he'd have been returned if it hadn't gone to a straight first past the post this year instead of the SV system used before. Probably, but I preferred the supplementary vote system, more people get a candidate they're happy with, and it does open the door to independents rather than just the main parties.

More people voted against Boris Johnson than did for him. So what was the point of that observation?

The tories introduced FPTP in the hopes of preventing a third term for Khan. I cannot begin to imagine what was going through their minds when they chose Hall to run against him. hmm

DiamondLily Sat 04-May-24 18:27:48

I hoped Khan would be out, as I find him useless in all things. And don’t even get me started on extended ULEZ, with the costs of repairing all the lights..

But, Hall wasn’t a feasible alternative either.🤷‍♀️

Finney Sat 04-May-24 19:08:28

Ms Hall rolling her eyes as Sadiq was giving his speech. She then made one of the most graceless speeches that I can ever recall hearing. Extremely rude woman.

MayBee70 Sat 04-May-24 19:14:10

Finney

Ms Hall rolling her eyes as Sadiq was giving his speech. She then made one of the most graceless speeches that I can ever recall hearing. Extremely rude woman.

It was vile wasn’t it sad.

Rosie51 Sat 04-May-24 19:15:26

MaizieD

Rosie51

Ilovecheese

A good win as well for Sadiq Khan. Well ahead of his rivals.

However more people voted against him than voted for him. I wonder if he'd have been returned if it hadn't gone to a straight first past the post this year instead of the SV system used before. Probably, but I preferred the supplementary vote system, more people get a candidate they're happy with, and it does open the door to independents rather than just the main parties.

More people voted against Boris Johnson than did for him. So what was the point of that observation?

The tories introduced FPTP in the hopes of preventing a third term for Khan. I cannot begin to imagine what was going through their minds when they chose Hall to run against him. hmm

The point of the observation was that it was still a minority of voters that voted for Khan, more people didn't want him than did. Is that OK with you?

There have been many posts over the years decrying our first past the post system, pointing out that we always (except for rare exceptions) finish up being governed by a party that most people didn't want. It seemed strange to me that we went from a better system to a worse one. I wouldn't have wanted Susan Hall, and like you can't think why she was chosen, unless nobody else would be considered.
First past the post precludes people from voting for their possibly preferred independent candidate, save in the knowledge that if s/he fails to win, then their second choice comes into play. Remember that the first London mayor, Ken Livingstone was not chosen as the official Labour candidate, so resigned from the party, stood as an independent and won. With first pass the past that will be a vanishingly rare occurrence in the future.

Cossy Sat 04-May-24 19:17:53

vegansrock

Given that Johnson shut loads of police stations and PCSOs and youth services have been cut to nothing, I’m not sure how people expect knife crime to easily be reduced. Other cities have a higher level of violent crime proportional to the population, but people seem to think Khan is to blame for crime in Birmingham, Nottingham etc. if anyone thinks Susan Hall had the answer they are delusional.

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varian Sat 04-May-24 19:21:03

We need electoral reform.

In a democracy no government or council should have absolute power to pass laws or spend public money without the support of the majority of electors.

Do we want to continue to be the only undemocratic country in Europe, apart from Putin's puppet, Belarus?