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Whitewavemark2 Fri 03-May-24 06:52:54

It appears that the polls which are showing massive results for labour are so far correct.

The by-election in Liverpool was won by Labour with a 26% swing. That is huge!

The local elections are showing the same sort of swing away from the Tories.

Callistemon21 Sun 05-May-24 15:29:39

Anyway, for those who like snooker (I think snooker is like watching paint dry but DH is watching it) I found this online:

The caption is *'To put the political situation in terms you'll understand, there are lots of red balls but only one blue one'

Callistemon21 Sun 05-May-24 15:25:57

World events should have little bearing in local elections.
Local councillors are elected to serve the local people, to provide the best local services they can with the money they are allotted.

This is becoming a nonsense.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 15:23:19

It is all a nonsense!

Dickens Sun 05-May-24 14:36:40

Whitewavemark2

Dickens

Just heard on the news (brief news bulletin) that Sunak is going to continue to deliver to the British people...

It all appears to rest on the Rwanda 'initiative'.

So far 1 person has flown to Rwanda.

He was a failed asylum seeker who was due to be deported, but instead the Tories persuaded him to fly to Rwanda with £3000 in his pocket and the promise to house, feed and provide medical care for 5 years the total cost will be in excess of £150k.

He was a failed asylum seeker who was due to be deported, but instead the Tories persuaded him to fly to Rwanda with £3000 in his pocket and the promise to house, feed and provide medical care for 5 years the total cost will be in excess of £150k.

I understand Rwanda is supposed to act as a deterrent - but for some, the option of £3000 and housing, feeding and medical care... might it not actually be a draw?

Bixiboo Sun 05-May-24 14:31:43

I suspect Rishi is an embarrassment to Ben Houchen but to be fair Ben has never hid the fact that he is a Conservative. He won based on his past performance and is well respected in the local area. He has always said he will not promise anything that he cannot deliver and this always goes down well with the electorate.

Iam64 Sun 05-May-24 14:22:47

Galloway will no doubt be spreading conspiracy theories on Israel to his supporters who will believe him. He will seek to divide

Chestnut Sun 05-May-24 13:37:56

You know things are going badly wrong when this is the Green Party councillor. What has any of this to do with a local election or the environment? We are heading down a slippery slope.

Casdon Sun 05-May-24 13:31:43

If you want a laugh, how about this suggestion from Dame Andrea Jenkins on GB News. I’ve heard it all now!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv7_7kESdyo

Galaxy Sun 05-May-24 13:30:45

He is a dangerous man, and always has been. Actually if I had to pick I would choose Farage over Galloway I think.

Grandmabatty Sun 05-May-24 13:07:05

Galloway could say it was daylight and I would check outside myself. He is not to be believed nor to be trusted.

Wyllow3 Sun 05-May-24 13:00:13

Casdon

I think Wyllow is right, Galloway was saying the other day that he is in negotiations with ‘several’ . Labour MPs to defect to his party.
If that happens I doubt Starmer will shed any tears though, because they are better out than in. I just hope if they are going they have the balls to do it now before the candidates for the election are finalised. To be fair, I hope that any Tories planning to defect to Reform do the same thing, so that everybody who is voting knows exactly who they are voting for.

I agree.

Wyllow3 Sun 05-May-24 12:57:26

Whitewavemark2

Wyllow3

Galloway is a throughly nasty piece of work - amongst other matters, he is homophobic, (ref, Mail, Guardian, Independent) which won't go down well with the left of the L party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-parliament-celebrity-big-brother-b2505146.html

He's dodgy on Ukraine as well
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Yes there are divisions in both parties

Not sure how your post leads to your conclusion?

They don't. Senior moment, the last sentence belongs to the general situation smile

Casdon Sun 05-May-24 12:48:19

I think Wyllow is right, Galloway was saying the other day that he is in negotiations with ‘several’ . Labour MPs to defect to his party.
If that happens I doubt Starmer will shed any tears though, because they are better out than in. I just hope if they are going they have the balls to do it now before the candidates for the election are finalised. To be fair, I hope that any Tories planning to defect to Reform do the same thing, so that everybody who is voting knows exactly who they are voting for.

Happygirl79 Sun 05-May-24 12:46:51

Whitewavemark2

Compare that with the Tories who are regularly publishing newspaper articles saying how useless Sunak and his policies are, or even standing up in parliament criticising party policy.

Even the only mayor elected made sure that he didn’t at any stage wear a Tory rosette.

Discipline doesn’t exist.

Ben Houchen even canvassed without mentioning the Conservative party on his leaflets. I know because I live in the area. He is obviously ambitious and sees the Conservative government as holding him back.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 12:34:01

Wyllow3

Galloway is a throughly nasty piece of work - amongst other matters, he is homophobic, (ref, Mail, Guardian, Independent) which won't go down well with the left of the L party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-parliament-celebrity-big-brother-b2505146.html

He's dodgy on Ukraine as well
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Yes there are divisions in both parties

Not sure how your post leads to your conclusion?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 12:32:58

Meanwhile Ms Braverman is calling for the U.K. to become an outlier alongside Russia and Belarus and leave the human rights convention.

Shades of Trump.

Wyllow3 Sun 05-May-24 12:32:00

Galloway is a throughly nasty piece of work - amongst other matters, he is homophobic, (ref, Mail, Guardian, Independent) which won't go down well with the left of the L party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-parliament-celebrity-big-brother-b2505146.html

He's dodgy on Ukraine as well
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Yes there are divisions in both parties

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 12:05:32

Dickens

Just heard on the news (brief news bulletin) that Sunak is going to continue to deliver to the British people...

It all appears to rest on the Rwanda 'initiative'.

So far 1 person has flown to Rwanda.

He was a failed asylum seeker who was due to be deported, but instead the Tories persuaded him to fly to Rwanda with £3000 in his pocket and the promise to house, feed and provide medical care for 5 years the total cost will be in excess of £150k.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 12:02:17

growstuff yes

Galloway is Labour’s Bete Noir

Farage is the Tory’s.

But I suspect that Farage could cause more damage if he has a mind to.

Casdon Sun 05-May-24 12:00:42

growstuff

Casdon

I can’t see votes changing in favour of the Tories, it’s too late for their fortunes to be turned. What the elections on Thursday have proved is that whatever happens next, the Tories aren’t going to win the next election. I haven’t seen any political pundits suggest that. If people don’t vote Labour they will either not vote, or vote for any other option except Tory.

I can't see any Palestinian supporter (or anybody who feels strongly about stopping the war) voting Conservative either. However, the danger to Labour would be if a "Galloway candidate" stood and took a significant number of votes from Labour, which could let the Conservatives in by the back door.

Reform is likely to do the reverse to the Conservatives.

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m unconvinced that Galloway has much support in reality. He’s all mouth and no trousers.

Katie59 Sun 05-May-24 12:00:34

I’m hoping Starmer gets a large enough majority so that he can ignore his own trouble makers, they are quiet for now, it won’t last long.

Dickens Sun 05-May-24 11:59:32

Just heard on the news (brief news bulletin) that Sunak is going to continue to deliver to the British people...

It all appears to rest on the Rwanda 'initiative'.

Joseann Sun 05-May-24 11:57:56

Starmer is known for his strength.
That's good, but can he show us some concrete evidence how he will bring about radical change on the bigger issues? All I've heard about is his piffly VAT on private school fees which we all know he will implement, thank you very much. I want to hear about HOW he will achieve everything else.

growstuff Sun 05-May-24 11:57:47

Casdon

I can’t see votes changing in favour of the Tories, it’s too late for their fortunes to be turned. What the elections on Thursday have proved is that whatever happens next, the Tories aren’t going to win the next election. I haven’t seen any political pundits suggest that. If people don’t vote Labour they will either not vote, or vote for any other option except Tory.

I can't see any Palestinian supporter (or anybody who feels strongly about stopping the war) voting Conservative either. However, the danger to Labour would be if a "Galloway candidate" stood and took a significant number of votes from Labour, which could let the Conservatives in by the back door.

Reform is likely to do the reverse to the Conservatives.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-May-24 11:44:41

Compare that with the Tories who are regularly publishing newspaper articles saying how useless Sunak and his policies are, or even standing up in parliament criticising party policy.

Even the only mayor elected made sure that he didn’t at any stage wear a Tory rosette.

Discipline doesn’t exist.