NHS waiting lists could take 685 years to clear.

I’m so sorry to hear you’re also in daily pain Cossy. It really is debilitating isn’t it? I get on with my life but it intrudes every day on whatever I’m doing. I agree it’s tiring, and I find it depressing too.
I hope you can get some treatment that helps you. I’m pinning my hopes on the spinal surgery to give me a better quality of life, but since I can’t even get on the list till July, it’s going to be a while.

Bet they will start pushing private health care like they do here. What they should realise is that even with private health there are only so many specialists to go round and with private health patients jumping the queues things will get even worse for public patients.

maddyone

^its no consolation to people waiting or suffering now^

I’m always thrilled to see new treatments being developed which will help people. I saw the item on the news today about the deaf baby who has had groundbreaking treatment and she can now hear. I had a profoundly deaf cousin and I was brought up with understanding of how it isolated him.

Even so, there are so many treatments that are commonly performed such as Callistemon’s knee operations, or my spinal surgery, which will prevent so much pain and lead to such a much better quality of life for people. I really feel these routine operations should have more money put into these areas because it would improve life for so many people. It’s actually inhumane to force people to wait endlessly for routine procedures that will help them. I feel very strongly about this because I suffer so much pain every day of my life and I feel as if it’s going on forever.

I completely agree. My late mother lived with pain for almost 25 years! The best we could get her in the end was Oromorph(?)

I too live with pain from a few different conditions, so I fully understand, it’s so debilitating and causes many issues not the least fatigue.

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It's not even as if Doodledog is a common name, like Jones in Wales!

I won't lie, it would be easier if they'd use Doodledog the Gransnet, like everyone else .

petra

And now we are told that the NHS spends a third of its maternity budget on compensation claims 😡

I suspect that’s not a new thing, payouts for damage caused at birth have always been huge because they have to allow for care for the full lifespan of a child, and are the biggest area of compensation in the NHS. I’m sure poor staffing levels are making it worse now, but it’s not a surprise.

Doodledog

Well, I can offer an upcoming appointment if people are willing to travel?

I have a pending operation (general surgery) showing on the NHS app, and have no idea what it's for. I rang the call centre and they don't know either, but are not allowed to cancel it until it becomes 'live'. Apparently the waiting list in this area (according to the app) is 10 weeks, and 6 of them have passed, so I should be finding out soon. I have not been referred for general surgery, unless someone medical knows something I don't, and I'm not aware of the need for any.

It's not even as if Doodledog is a common name, like Jones in Wales!

Apparently, according to two people I saw at an outpatient clinic today, I also had an appointment at another hospital yesterday 🤔
I must remember to put an arrow in magic marker on the bit of me that needs operating on, just in case. Cut here ↕️

And now we are told that the NHS spends a third of its maternity budget on compensation claims 😡

Doodledog

Well, I can offer an upcoming appointment if people are willing to travel?

I have a pending operation (general surgery) showing on the NHS app, and have no idea what it's for. I rang the call centre and they don't know either, but are not allowed to cancel it until it becomes 'live'. Apparently the waiting list in this area (according to the app) is 10 weeks, and 6 of them have passed, so I should be finding out soon. I have not been referred for general surgery, unless someone medical knows something I don't, and I'm not aware of the need for any.

That is pretty shocking, same name,wrong details. Maybe. Unfortunately this doesn't surprise me.

Well, I can offer an upcoming appointment if people are willing to travel?

I have a pending operation (general surgery) showing on the NHS app, and have no idea what it's for. I rang the call centre and they don't know either, but are not allowed to cancel it until it becomes 'live'. Apparently the waiting list in this area (according to the app) is 10 weeks, and 6 of them have passed, so I should be finding out soon. I have not been referred for general surgery, unless someone medical knows something I don't, and I'm not aware of the need for any.

Too much money flowing abroad into foreign wars, aid and repatriation schemes like the whacky Ruanda plan.

Urmstongran

I don’t 😁
It was a talking point - as in real life.

What more evidence do we need that the NHS can’t go on as now? Get it sorted Government and no, the answer is not throwing even more money at it. Compared to Europe we are in the Dark Ages.

Some of the answer is throwing more money at the NHS for very specific reasons if we want new treatments to be developed. There’s so much potential to cure diseases if research was better supported. It’s a case of speculating to accumulate.

The problem for the NHS is always the backlog, but the only way long term to resolve the backlog is to treat diseases and conditions differently.

Of course benefits for those with disabilities caused by debilitating pain have to be factored into the overall cost to social services and NHS. The whole scenario is one big vicious circle!!!

685 years? Where has that figure come from? Facts please.
Stop immigration, yeh, right - the panacea to all that is wrong 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I don’t 😁
It was a talking point - as in real life.

What more evidence do we need that the NHS can’t go on as now? Get it sorted Government and no, the answer is not throwing even more money at it. Compared to Europe we are in the Dark Ages.

don't believe everything you read in the Telegraph

Agreed Calli - apparently NHS Wales is in a shocking state, considerably worse than England. All hospitals in North Wales declared a RED alert this week.

its no consolation to people waiting or suffering now

I’m always thrilled to see new treatments being developed which will help people. I saw the item on the news today about the deaf baby who has had groundbreaking treatment and she can now hear. I had a profoundly deaf cousin and I was brought up with understanding of how it isolated him.

Even so, there are so many treatments that are commonly performed such as Callistemon’s knee operations, or my spinal surgery, which will prevent so much pain and lead to such a much better quality of life for people. I really feel these routine operations should have more money put into these areas because it would improve life for so many people. It’s actually inhumane to force people to wait endlessly for routine procedures that will help them. I feel very strongly about this because I suffer so much pain every day of my life and I feel as if it’s going on forever.

Casdon

I know, and it’s no consolation for people waiting or suffering now, but I was listening to something this week about the potential of immunotherapy to be tailored to target cancer cells specific to an individual patient. It’s not far off, in fact it’s already being trialled for some cancers. It’s really exciting times.

The news this evening included a piece about a baby born deaf who can now hear because she had ground-breaking gene therapy treatment.

I was told that trials are being conducted, only on younger people, to grow their own cartilage then insert it into the knee instead of the present major surgery of knee replacements.

I know, and it’s no consolation for people waiting or suffering now, but I was listening to something this week about the potential of immunotherapy to be tailored to target cancer cells specific to an individual patient. It’s not far off, in fact it’s already being trialled for some cancers. It’s really exciting times.

Casdon

I’d bet that in 685 years humans will be supervising but probably won’t be directly involved in the process of curing illnesses or performing surgery, it will be automated. You’ll probably walk into a diagnostic machine which will then use immunotherapy or its successor to cure your ills. Surgery will be done by robots.

I think in 685 years we could be extinct (pessimistic moi?)

But it won't be long before AI has taken over, spare parts will be grown in laboratories and such procedures as knee and hip replacements will be a quaint memory from the past.

No, it’s completely wrong, as I pointed out upthread. Whoever it was needs to go back to school.

maddyone

I think you’ll make it to 685 Callistemon, but your kneees will have completely disintegrated by then. Oh well, who needs knees? 😂

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I think it could be a thousand years in Wales.

Actually, I don't think whoever worked this out has a clue about variables.

That’s what happened to me cornergran. I was told I’d need a follow up appointment in 4 - 6 weeks. Of course no appointment came so I rang up. My follow up appointment is now 02/07 which is a gap from procedure to follow up appointment of some 3 and a half months!!! Just why?

I think you’ll make it to 685 Callistemon, but your kneees will have completely disintegrated by then. Oh well, who needs knees? 😂