NHS waiting lists could take 685 years to clear.

I do not know what the answer is as one cannot go privately every time or even at all.

This is why immigration has to stop. We have far too many people in this country and the more we have the greater the pressure. Then we lose our medical workers who go abroad and it just gets worse. However, horse, door and bolted comes to mind. We lost control of our borders years ago.

Mmmm any stats which show who’s on the waiting list, ie immigrant or native?? I’ll wager that there’s lots of home grown people waiting for ops, especially perhaps the elderly, hip and knee replacements, cataracts etc.

My own 68 year old husband has been on an NHS wait list for a hernia op for over a year now. Mind you, he’s Irish, so an immigrant, albeit back in 1960.

And then there are people like me who need surgery but are not yet on the waiting list because I’ve got to see the consultant again in order to be put in the list, and despite being told I wouldn’t have to wait again, it turns out I do, and I can’t even see the consultant again until July. There will be millions in that position. That’s why I couldn’t possibly vote Conservative but I don’t know who I will vote for. Despite money being put into the NHS it’s insufficient for the number of people here.

I’d bet that in 685 years humans will be supervising but probably won’t be directly involved in the process of curing illnesses or performing surgery, it will be automated. You’ll probably walk into a diagnostic machine which will then use immunotherapy or its successor to cure your ills. Surgery will be done by robots.

Right, I’ve just had a look. Apparently ten million surgeries are performed each year, in around three thousand operating theatres. Apparently around twelve thousand operations are performed each year in any one operating theatre, so that’s where the twelve thousand figure came from.
Thank goodness for that!
I think the journalist who wrote that piece needs to go back to school. Either his/her understanding isn’t up to much, or his/her maths isn’t up to much.

Those figures are for England by the way.

Interesting Maddy…in wales I suspect the wait will be a whole millennium!

We don’t pray for Labour to manage things here, lord knows they’ve done enough damage and now they want to increase Senedd by 40% because they’re all so busy…

Imagine the Tories voting to increase Westminster MPs to almost a thousand jobs for their cohorts!

maddyone

And then there are people like me who need surgery but are not yet on the waiting list because I’ve got to see the consultant again in order to be put in the list, and despite being told I wouldn’t have to wait again, it turns out I do, and I can’t even see the consultant again until July. There will be millions in that position. That’s why I couldn’t possibly vote Conservative but I don’t know who I will vote for. Despite money being put into the NHS it’s insufficient for the number of people here.

Oh yes, there are several ways of making sure your name doesn't appear on a list so in fact the wait could be much longer than 685 years!

I might be deemed too old for surgery by then.

Pantglass I was relieved to find out that the situation isn’t quite so bad, but even so, I do know 7 - 8 million people are waiting for surgery. I’m in pain every day from a spinal problem. I had a steroid cervical injection which helped to reduce the pain for about 3 - 4 weeks, but I’m back to full pain again now. Sometimes I get very depressed about living with constant pain. I try to get on with my life but it’s really horrible and there’s nothing I can do about it. My next appointment with the consultant isn’t until 02/07 and then I’ll hopefully be put on the list for surgery. I’m fed up of it and I’m sure others are too. We’re constantly told that more money than ever before is being put into the NHS so why am I and so many other people having to wait in permanent pain. I feel that no one actually cares.

I was advised by the Staff nurse carrying out a procedure on my eyes a follow up was necessary in 2-3 weeks. If no appointment offered after 2 weeks I was to call the secretaries and check. I did so this morning and learned I am on a pending list, not a waiting list so not counted. An appointment was estimated to be a further 6 weeks away and will be scheduled in due course. It seems the list is being manipulated.

I think you’ll make it to 685 Callistemon, but your kneees will have completely disintegrated by then. Oh well, who needs knees? 😂

That’s what happened to me cornergran. I was told I’d need a follow up appointment in 4 - 6 weeks. Of course no appointment came so I rang up. My follow up appointment is now 02/07 which is a gap from procedure to follow up appointment of some 3 and a half months!!! Just why?

maddyone

I think you’ll make it to 685 Callistemon, but your kneees will have completely disintegrated by then. Oh well, who needs knees? 😂

😁

I think it could be a thousand years in Wales.

Actually, I don't think whoever worked this out has a clue about variables.

No, it’s completely wrong, as I pointed out upthread. Whoever it was needs to go back to school.

Casdon

I’d bet that in 685 years humans will be supervising but probably won’t be directly involved in the process of curing illnesses or performing surgery, it will be automated. You’ll probably walk into a diagnostic machine which will then use immunotherapy or its successor to cure your ills. Surgery will be done by robots.

I think in 685 years we could be extinct (pessimistic moi?)

But it won't be long before AI has taken over, spare parts will be grown in laboratories and such procedures as knee and hip replacements will be a quaint memory from the past.

I know, and it’s no consolation for people waiting or suffering now, but I was listening to something this week about the potential of immunotherapy to be tailored to target cancer cells specific to an individual patient. It’s not far off, in fact it’s already being trialled for some cancers. It’s really exciting times.

Casdon

I know, and it’s no consolation for people waiting or suffering now, but I was listening to something this week about the potential of immunotherapy to be tailored to target cancer cells specific to an individual patient. It’s not far off, in fact it’s already being trialled for some cancers. It’s really exciting times.

The news this evening included a piece about a baby born deaf who can now hear because she had ground-breaking gene therapy treatment.

I was told that trials are being conducted, only on younger people, to grow their own cartilage then insert it into the knee instead of the present major surgery of knee replacements.

its no consolation to people waiting or suffering now

I’m always thrilled to see new treatments being developed which will help people. I saw the item on the news today about the deaf baby who has had groundbreaking treatment and she can now hear. I had a profoundly deaf cousin and I was brought up with understanding of how it isolated him.

Even so, there are so many treatments that are commonly performed such as Callistemon’s knee operations, or my spinal surgery, which will prevent so much pain and lead to such a much better quality of life for people. I really feel these routine operations should have more money put into these areas because it would improve life for so many people. It’s actually inhumane to force people to wait endlessly for routine procedures that will help them. I feel very strongly about this because I suffer so much pain every day of my life and I feel as if it’s going on forever.

Agreed Calli - apparently NHS Wales is in a shocking state, considerably worse than England. All hospitals in North Wales declared a RED alert this week.

don't believe everything you read in the Telegraph

I don’t 😁
It was a talking point - as in real life.

What more evidence do we need that the NHS can’t go on as now? Get it sorted Government and no, the answer is not throwing even more money at it. Compared to Europe we are in the Dark Ages.

685 years? Where has that figure come from? Facts please.
Stop immigration, yeh, right - the panacea to all that is wrong 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Of course benefits for those with disabilities caused by debilitating pain have to be factored into the overall cost to social services and NHS. The whole scenario is one big vicious circle!!!