Is Islamophobia In Europe A Growing Concern?

zakouma66

I do wonder if people who perpetuate this myth of the suppressed Muslim woman have actually mixed with any lately.

They are running the show in many cases!

Very true! And who said that the people of these countries want carry on as they are? In many cases they don't have a choice. They would love the freedom we enjoy.

Vintagewhine

People confuse religion with politics, they are not the same. Most conflict is about power and politicians use religion to justify their actions. Just look at what Modi is doing in India, China is doing to Muslim minorities, the abuse of Muslims in Myanmar etc Lots of examples of religious minorities being abused but these are ignored. Why? Islamphobia pure and simple.

Myanmar, Islam has been expanding into Buddist Myanmar, now they have been pushed back. Muslims don’t integrate with Indian Hindus so they are treated with suspicion. Islam is expanding into Sub Saharan Africa. Islam is expanding in every country in Europe.

Can any one give an example were Christianity or any other religion is expanding in an Islamic Country?.

"Some" is always the operative word, some may well be running the show, but we have had testaments from those who have been oppressed living a life of despair in our country. , Sometimes these women are from the Indian Sub Continent who speak very little English brought here for arranged marriages, equally there will be home grown Muslim women sent overseas for the same purpose, some have been murdered, honour killings, etc. we know this happens, there are enough legal organisations trying to fight for them and just because some Muslim women are female powerhouses, they won't mitigate the fact that there will be disadvantage women in their communities who will sometimes go unnoticed behind closed doors.

“Katie590
Because few Muslim's integrate it’s bound to cause problems, nothing that is happening across the globe gives the impression that Muslims are not a threat.”

Regarding integration, do many British immigrants (I refuse to call them ‘ex-pats’ - they are immigrants) in Spain integrate into the Spanish culture, learn the language etc. No, they live together in ‘British’ enclaves, watch British TV, read British newspapers, eat British food and speak English!

I have read all the posts with interest and for once there are no accusations of posters being racist or ignorant. I am Interested in Islamophobia as some of it is simply an unease over a faith which finds Western attitudes unacceptable. I am concerned about the objection to people who are openly gay and as a n ancient feminist I do not like that section of the faith that insists on women wear dress that makes them totally anonymous. I worry that I am Islamaphobic because I do worry that we need to protect our Western Democracies against the awful separatism that religious faiths can cause in Western societies. The thing is that this argument over Islam splits us politically, The left leaning posters here seem to think there is nothing untoward happening and it is people like me who are more right of centre who worry about future generations. I will be 90 next month and I want my great grandchildren to grow up in a Western liberal democracy like that we have enjoyed in the United Kingdom. Who doesn’t want that? I hope that the establishment church of which I am a member will never change our way of life! Nor should any other faith.

TerriBull

"Some" is always the operative word, some may well be running the show, but we have had testaments from those who have been oppressed living a life of despair in our country. , Sometimes these women are from the Indian Sub Continent who speak very little English brought here for arranged marriages, equally there will be home grown Muslim women sent overseas for the same purpose, some have been murdered, honour killings, etc. we know this happens, there are enough legal organisations trying to fight for them and just because some Muslim women are female powerhouses, they won't mitigate the fact that there will be disadvantage women in their communities who will sometimes go unnoticed behind closed doors.

Absolutely. its such a cliche though isn't it? The subservient, downtrodden Muslim woman.

Honour killings ( ghastly expression) and unsuitable arranged marriages are not a factor in all their lives.

Katie590

Vintagewhine

People confuse religion with politics, they are not the same. Most conflict is about power and politicians use religion to justify their actions. Just look at what Modi is doing in India, China is doing to Muslim minorities, the abuse of Muslims in Myanmar etc Lots of examples of religious minorities being abused but these are ignored. Why? Islamphobia pure and simple.

Myanmar, Islam has been expanding into Buddist Myanmar, now they have been pushed back. Muslims don’t integrate with Indian Hindus so they are treated with suspicion. Islam is expanding into Sub Saharan Africa. Islam is expanding in every country in Europe.

Can any one give an example were Christianity or any other religion is expanding in an Islamic Country?.

What's that got to do with anything?

TerriBull There are "some" white British males who treat their wives and girlfriends like doormats and kick them around. Most white British males don't behave like that. Are you suggesting that they should all be labelled by the lowest common denominator, just because some do?

Anniel

I have read all the posts with interest and for once there are no accusations of posters being racist or ignorant. I am Interested in Islamophobia as some of it is simply an unease over a faith which finds Western attitudes unacceptable. I am concerned about the objection to people who are openly gay and as a n ancient feminist I do not like that section of the faith that insists on women wear dress that makes them totally anonymous. I worry that I am Islamaphobic because I do worry that we need to protect our Western Democracies against the awful separatism that religious faiths can cause in Western societies. The thing is that this argument over Islam splits us politically, The left leaning posters here seem to think there is nothing untoward happening and it is people like me who are more right of centre who worry about future generations. I will be 90 next month and I want my great grandchildren to grow up in a Western liberal democracy like that we have enjoyed in the United Kingdom. Who doesn’t want that? I hope that the establishment church of which I am a member will never change our way of life! Nor should any other faith.

Annie1 Not all Muslims wear a dress which makes them anonymous. My daughter's mother-in-law, who is a practising Muslim, doesn't cover her head, nor do her sisters or my daughter's sister-in-law.

growstuff

Katie590

Vintagewhine

People confuse religion with politics, they are not the same. Most conflict is about power and politicians use religion to justify their actions. Just look at what Modi is doing in India, China is doing to Muslim minorities, the abuse of Muslims in Myanmar etc Lots of examples of religious minorities being abused but these are ignored. Why? Islamphobia pure and simple.

Myanmar, Islam has been expanding into Buddist Myanmar, now they have been pushed back. Muslims don’t integrate with Indian Hindus so they are treated with suspicion. Islam is expanding into Sub Saharan Africa. Islam is expanding in every country in Europe.

Can any one give an example were Christianity or any other religion is expanding in an Islamic Country?.

What's that got to do with anything?

Growstuff your own quotation up thread

“ None of which is evidence that Muslims want to take over the world. The country with the largest number of Muslims is Indonesia.”

There is evidence everywhere that Islam is aggressively expanding.

No, there isn't!

islamophobia is alive and well on this forum

The most striking finding is the low employment rates among Muslims… Almost 70% of Muslim women are out of employment, compared with 27% among Christian women. Muslim women also experience much larger employment penalties than their male counterparts relative to other religious groups.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/65005/pdf/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20most%20striking%20finding%20is,relative%20to%20other%20religious%20groups.

Claim: Muslim women are three times as likely to be unemployed, and twice as likely not to be in the jobs market in the first place, compared to women generally.
Claimed by: Mark Easton
Fact check by Full Fact: This is correct.

I wonder if there are any statistics available for the amount of Muslim women who claim benefit?

Or any statistics that show that being a home maker and mother are of enormous benefit to future generation?

Excuse the stereotying here.

Anniel

I have read all the posts with interest and for once there are no accusations of posters being racist or ignorant. I am Interested in Islamophobia as some of it is simply an unease over a faith which finds Western attitudes unacceptable. I am concerned about the objection to people who are openly gay and as a n ancient feminist I do not like that section of the faith that insists on women wear dress that makes them totally anonymous. I worry that I am Islamaphobic because I do worry that we need to protect our Western Democracies against the awful separatism that religious faiths can cause in Western societies. The thing is that this argument over Islam splits us politically, The left leaning posters here seem to think there is nothing untoward happening and it is people like me who are more right of centre who worry about future generations. I will be 90 next month and I want my great grandchildren to grow up in a Western liberal democracy like that we have enjoyed in the United Kingdom. Who doesn’t want that? I hope that the establishment church of which I am a member will never change our way of life! Nor should any other faith.

" The thing is that this argument over Islam splits us politically"

I think the problem is there are those intent on fanning the flames and looking for discord (not you of course) rather than look about what we share.
Young people in school of many backgrounds whose parents just want them to get on and have a chance in life in the professions, business, that they didnt have.

I'm concerned about there being a climate friendly world for them and health care and education too.

zakouma66

I wonder if there are any statistics available for the amount of Muslim women who claim benefit?

Or any statistics that show that being a home maker and mother are of enormous benefit to future generation?

Excuse the stereotying here.

We live in strange times. When there's a downer on women who stay at home and care for not just children but often elderly relatives (instead of packing them off somewhere). Whatever colour the skin.

Strange indeed.

Urmstongran

The most striking finding is the low employment rates among Muslims… Almost 70% of Muslim women are out of employment, compared with 27% among Christian women. Muslim women also experience much larger employment penalties than their male counterparts relative to other religious groups.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/65005/pdf/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20most%20striking%20finding%20is,relative%20to%20other%20religious%20groups.

The figures speak for themselves. This is not integration or contributing to the economy.

the words in the report also speak for themselves

*The media focus has recently been joined by increasingly vociferous far- right discourse on Islam and Muslims in Europe (Allen 2010; Bartlett and Littler 2011; Williams and Lowles 2012) accusing Muslims of a lack of integration/assimilation; as well as political statements surrounding the perceived failure of multiculturalism - emphasising British Muslims as the
‘other’ (Spalek and Mcdonald, 2010). This polarized political debate is indicative of an ‘othering’ of Muslims, creating a strong sense of ‘us Brits’ and ‘them Muslims’. This ‘othering’ may well be a source of prejudice, discrimination and harassment in the labour market, both by employers and perhaps by co-workers.*

Germanshepherdsmum

Urmstongran

The most striking finding is the low employment rates among Muslims… Almost 70% of Muslim women are out of employment, compared with 27% among Christian women. Muslim women also experience much larger employment penalties than their male counterparts relative to other religious groups.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/65005/pdf/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20most%20striking%20finding%20is,relative%20to%20other%20religious%20groups.

The figures speak for themselves. This is not integration or contributing to the economy.

What do they speak of please?

Could any of this suspicion of Muslims in the UK and Europe and every other country and continent be anything to do with the Muslim terror groups who abound everywhere now!
Just a thought.
Add to that the way many Muslim women are treated by the men, not only in the way they have to dress but also act.Beatings and so called honour killings and the threat of being ostracised by family and community.
As for being gay!

I'm sorry but beatings, honour killings, being ostracised?

You do realise there are millions of Muslims to whom absolutely none of this applies?

Wyllow3

zakouma66

I wonder if there are any statistics available for the amount of Muslim women who claim benefit?

Or any statistics that show that being a home maker and mother are of enormous benefit to future generation?

Excuse the stereotying here.

We live in strange times. When there's a downer on women who stay at home and care for not just children but often elderly relatives (instead of packing them off somewhere). Whatever colour the skin.

Again whataboutery, do the British go on a rampage everytime some Cine show a film that offend them. Never seen Muslims dining out in our restaurants, ever. Plenty of people living in Spain use their local tapas bars and restaurants. You ever read anything that alters your entrenched view. Unless you've had family or friends in Spain, I would say you haven't got a clue.

zakouma66

I'm sorry but beatings, honour killings, being ostracised?

You do realise there are millions of Muslims to whom absolutely none of this applies?

It happens enough in the UK and in all other countries .
Plus what other religious group in the UK carries out terrorist acts and murders?This fact is why all the unease and moderate Muslims must hate it too.