The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

I think you've been reading, and swallowing, too many conspiracy theories from the Morning Star

Freya5 what an unkind, inappropriate response to undines post. She clearly shares her own personal experience of the issue she’s discussing. To dismiss this as ‘conspiracy theory’ is totally uncalled for. God forbid that you’re ever in a vulnerable situation requiring support!

My grandad was a true working class man. He was a boilermaker in the dockyards. Even so he would never vote labour because as he said "they spend all the money"

I really don’t think things will be better under Starmer but then hopefully, they won’t be worse. Instinctively someone with a ‘Sir’ in front of their name doesn’t sit well as a leader of a Labour Party but I suppose that is my bias and if he does, contrary to expectation, do well, I will revise my opinion.

CvD66

This week the PM limply tried to present the Tory party as the only party capable of defending the UK against future foreign threats. After 14 years of collapsing international relations, they have done little to prevent such threats developing, so where’s the evidence they have the wherewithal to build a different future? Within hours of this latest speech, the Tories had a mass breach of personal data! As the party who can’t even stop the little boats bringing refugees into the UK, how can they possibly think we will believe them?

You’ve nailed it!

I do think the current government works on the politics of negative perception of those in most need and Undines describes how she and many feel, and why.

To negate these experiences (which are shared by many, or similar ones in terms of disability) and label them conspiracy theories from the communist party -

is this really necessary?

undines

It seems to me that the Conservatives are cornered rats and thus dangerous to people in this country who need to be cared for by the State. I think they will 'please' their committed section of the electorate by draconian policies that will hurt certain vulnerable members of the public - and not only do I believe they do not care, I think they actively want those people to go off and die - which they will, either fairly quickly, through malnutrition, or more slowly through debilitating depression, leading to chronic disease etc. There is too much talk of 'benefit cheats' which is the usual rallying cry of committed Tories. I am not bothered about these 'cheats' nearly as much as I am about the many millions cost to the tax-payer by misbehaving bankers. I have a personal stake in this as my youngest son is autistic and unable to work, even though he seems very fit - I can see a case being made to take away his benefit, which will put even more pressure on me, at 73, and still working full time. So, to answer the question, the rebranding, depending on its nature (which I know nothing of) could work a little bit, if it further consolidates the usual hard-liners. I doubt if Labour will be any better, anyway. I don't get the impression that kindness and care for the vulnerable are high on the public agenda anywhere - but then that is just 'my impression'.

I think you've been reading, and swallowing, too many conspiracy theories from the Morning Star.

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you really think that any European country will accept a return of asylum seekers without a quid pro quo? Maybe a requirement that we accept some of their asylum seekers or other problem people? We don’t need talking, we need action - and Rwanda is already proving to be a deterrent. Starmer would scrap it and replace it with his human rights lawyer appeasement tactics.

The answer doesn’t lie in deporting asylum seekers, it lies in stopping them migrating to Europe in the first place. The UK can’t do that alone, there has to be a Europe-wide approach.

I look at the source of the report - that tells me whether the reporter has an agenda. It means being aware and not believing everything.

Yes, Wyllow, you're probably right.
Goodness me, GSM, 'unbiased reporting'??? Where on earth are you going to find that! There are agendas and vested interests everywhere. The media is funded by billionaires who only want certain things reported, and as for the BBC... Dream on!

Do you really think that any European country will accept a return of asylum seekers without a quid pro quo? Maybe a requirement that we accept some of their asylum seekers or other problem people? We don’t need talking, we need action - and Rwanda is already proving to be a deterrent. Starmer would scrap it and replace it with his human rights lawyer appeasement tactics.

Camille333

Labour will stop Rwanda altogether,their alternative is talk to Europe!!!

Their alternative is to work with Europe. There is no other way.

Germanshepherdsmum

I prefer unbiased reporting Pepine. We can all find something which chimes with our own views.

I read it as spoof or "Private eye" article, which is why Pepine sent it with a 🙂.

Completely agree with GSM

And if something doesn’t chime with our own views we can dismiss it out of hand GSM!

I prefer unbiased reporting Pepine. We can all find something which chimes with our own views.

This is worth a read 😊
www.bylinesupplement.com/p/re-inventing-rishi-again?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1162849&post_id=144717592&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=z1ogq&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

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I do wonder if GSM says this to provoke or if she really believes that's a good idea. If so, why? Also, still waiting for a list of all the wonderful things that, apparently, have happened in the last few years

Me too!

Are you comparing the current leaders of European countries to Adolf Hitler!

That’s Starmer the human rights lawyer …. Didn’t Chamberlain try talking? That did a lot of good.

Labour will stop Rwanda altogether,their alternative is talk to Europe!!!

undines I think the feeling of helplessness has been fostered by this government - I'm not saying deliberately - but its in their interest to cultivate, "no one could do any better".

ask not as! think I need a cuppa

Hear hear Lizzie.

Grantanow Labour's key policy plans were outlined on page 2, and later a reference to a very detailed outline of plans for the NHS.

But I'm sure every party reveals what it chooses to at any given point.

That was a P.S. to my previous post🙈

E.G. Belarus and Russia! That’s it! Any right thinking person must as why.