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Nelson Shardey

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Callistemon21 Thu 16-May-24 18:32:17

This is rather long but I hope you will read it.

Nelson Shardey, age 74, is a Ghanaian man who came to the UK nearly 50 years ago to study accountancy. When there was a coup in Ghana his family were unable to continue supporting him so he worked so he could continue his studies.
He worked for well-known firms such as Mother's Pride, Mr Kipling Cakes and Bendincks.
No-one ever queried his right to stay and work here. He paid his taxes.
Later on he ran a newsagent's, married and had a family. His sons went to university here and both have good jobs.

Mr Shardey bought a house after obtaining a mortgage.
He has performed jury service, and in 2007 was given a police award for bravery after tackling a robber who was attacking a delivery man with a baseball bat.

He never applied for a British passport as he never went abroad until 2019 when he wanted to go to Ghana after his mother died.

That's when his troubles started because the Home Office said he had no right to be in the UK.
Officials told him to apply for the 10-year route to settlement.
By that time, even if granted, he will be 84.

Over the 10 years it costs about £7,000, with a further £10,500 over the same period to access the NHS.

"I cannot afford to pay any part of the money they are asking," said Mr Shardey, who is recovering from prostate cancer."

Mr Shardey made a mistake in believing he did not need to apply for settlement here and no-one, not the HMRC, the CJA, the banks ever advised him otherwise.

This man has been an asset to our country, a man to admire.

Surely the Home Office should use some common sense and grant him British citizenship as a matter of urgency?
We need rules but there must be some way round this ridiculousness.

Sasta Fri 24-May-24 12:35:36

Just for note, there’s a difference between compassion and facts. I’ve seen countless posts on Gransnet where the facts of law have been invaluable to posters needing advice and support, always supplied by Germansherpherdsmum, with follow-ups when needed. I see no value in dissing these factual points made when they are so pertinent to the issue. Mr Shardey is clearly a decent bloke and I hope he can stay. But the law is the law even if it seems unfair at times, and I know for certain it can be horribly unfair.

maddyone Wed 22-May-24 22:17:28

Thank you anyway GG.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 22-May-24 18:45:06

maddyone

Can you tell us what was said GG please? I’m in Seville and so can’t watch.

Sorry I only caught the first couple of minutes as I was going to the gym.
He did say he was here at college being supported from home then circumstances at home changed and he had to get a job to support himself, then I left.

maddyone Wed 22-May-24 18:41:28

Can you tell us what was said GG please? I’m in Seville and so can’t watch.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 22-May-24 10:45:03

Nelson Shardey is being interviewed on This Morning at the moment.

Greta Tue 21-May-24 14:20:11

I think you're right, Callistemon21, there is often poor or lack of communication that complicate matters.

Greta Tue 21-May-24 14:07:45

I am not trying to mislead anybody but was under the impression that my HO letter was equal to "leave to remain indefinitely". I am not a lawyer.
According to the conditions of the "Settled Status" scheme I should report changes to my status. I'm actually in the process of doing that now because I have a new passport.

Callistemon21 Tue 21-May-24 14:03:16

Sorry, sp. Greta

Callistemon21 Tue 21-May-24 14:02:53

Greta

Thank you, Callistemon21. I don't understand how one can misinterpret the word "permanently'. It seems though that the HO, as a powerful Institution, must be right and the little powerless man (woman) wrong.

Grets, it's probably more the case, just as a person at HMRC said when she was dealing with DH, "It's a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing".

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 21-May-24 13:53:31

But that’s not what you originally said! You said you had to report to the HO when clearly you no longer have to. You said you were granted ‘leave to remain indefinitely’. That is not the case at all. Why did you make such a misleading statement?

Greta Tue 21-May-24 13:41:33

Germanshepherdsmum, this is what my HO letter states:
”Dear...
I'm writing to say that the time limit and the conditions attached to your leave to enter the United Kingdom have been removed. You are no longer required to report changes of address or other particulars to the Police.You are free now to remain permanently in the United Kingdom”.

Then it goes on to explain there are different rules if I should move to Northern Ireland, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. And if I should leave the United Kingdom I would normally be readmitted at any time provided I hold a valid passport.

I believed that the letter was clear.

Freya5, I can assure you that I don't belong to the category of people who ”try and dismiss said rules because it doesn't suit them.” The reason I came to this country was because of an interesting job offer; a job that that was needed but most British people would not have been able to do.

Freya5 Tue 21-May-24 09:40:55

Germanshepherdsmum

You say you feel ‘unbritish’, Greta. Well that’s because you’re not British - but you can become a British citizen. Without seeing your document in its entirety it’s impossible to construe it, but if you have to tell the HO of any change of address your residence here obviously comes with strings attached and it seems that failure to report a change could have consequences. If you want to be British and not to have to report to the HO then the answer is in your own hands.

Certainly in Germany you have to report any change of address, even German citizens, or incur a large fine. So as my sister has residency and right to remain, she complies because they are the rules. Why should it be any different in this country . Never ceases to amaze me that people can come and live here,not get citizenship,then try and dismiss said rules because it doesn't suit them.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 21-May-24 09:03:10

You say you feel ‘unbritish’, Greta. Well that’s because you’re not British - but you can become a British citizen. Without seeing your document in its entirety it’s impossible to construe it, but if you have to tell the HO of any change of address your residence here obviously comes with strings attached and it seems that failure to report a change could have consequences. If you want to be British and not to have to report to the HO then the answer is in your own hands.

Greta Tue 21-May-24 07:57:17

Thank you, Callistemon21. I don't understand how one can misinterpret the word "permanently'. It seems though that the HO, as a powerful Institution, must be right and the little powerless man (woman) wrong.

Sasta Mon 20-May-24 23:16:44

Germanshepherdsmum

You may well be right Sasta, though I have not had reason to suspect any of the directors I worked with. If they were involved in any dodgy dealings they knew better than to let me, straight as a die and known to be so, know anything. I would defy any woman not to find the arms dealer charming and a real gentleman with impeccable manners. He was a property developer - few knew about his other income stream.

Ooh! I can just imagine a marvellous thriller in the making here! I was alluding to your client base, rather than colleagues…but who knows……

Callistemon21 Mon 20-May-24 21:10:10

Greta

Well, I am obviously a bit simple. My HO document from 1975 states: "You are free now to remain permanently in the UK." For forty years I had no further communication from the HO. Since Brexit I also have Settled Status so I am doubly blessed!

I'd have assumed the same as you Greta

It sounds like being awarded Permanent Residency Status.

I'm wondering just what part of permanent I don't understand.
Permanent lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing

maddyone Mon 20-May-24 20:14:22

Germanshepherdsmum

The alternative, Greta, is the constant worry that one day someone decides that ‘indefinite’ has come to an end or you forget to report a change. You can apply online. Only you can decide whether the fee is worth bringing an end to your current uncertainty and worry. For me it would be a no brainer.

I agree.
I don’t know why anyone would want to live almost their whole life in a country where they are not a citizen, but not apply for citizenship. Things can change, as with Brexit, and then a person’s status can change. The Europeans I know applied for citizenship around the time of Brexit and are now happily living as British citizens as well retaining the citizenship of the country where they were born. I do know there a small number of countries where people must lose their citizenship if they become citizens of another country.

Greta Mon 20-May-24 16:41:07

Well, I am obviously a bit simple. My HO document from 1975 states: "You are free now to remain permanently in the UK." For forty years I had no further communication from the HO. Since Brexit I also have Settled Status so I am doubly blessed!

silverlining48 Mon 20-May-24 16:13:34

Greta I would have thought, clearly wrongly, that indefinite leave was permanent. Until Brexit there wasn’t a need to apply for British citizenship because we were a community.

I was not British born but came here as a baby. I never felt the need to apply for dual nationality but after Brexit I applied to the European country of my birth, and much to my surprise was turned down. I felt hurt and upset so understand how you might feel after all these years,

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 20-May-24 13:15:21

That’s not so. You must surely know that ‘indefinite leave to stay’ is something that can be revoked. You are worried about the consequences of failing to report a change of address to the HO. You don’t have to live with that, you can apply for citizenship.

Greta Mon 20-May-24 11:30:08

It seems we are happy to accept incompetent institutions that enjoy impunity causing misery to many.

25Avalon Mon 20-May-24 10:34:59

I agree GSM. The uncertainty would cause me needless worry unless, of course, I thought I was likely to be turned down in which case you would perhaps take a chance.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 20-May-24 10:17:47

The alternative, Greta, is the constant worry that one day someone decides that ‘indefinite’ has come to an end or you forget to report a change. You can apply online. Only you can decide whether the fee is worth bringing an end to your current uncertainty and worry. For me it would be a no brainer.

Callistemon21 Mon 20-May-24 10:12:50

Greta

Perhaps our HO should make the wording they choose to use absolutely clear. It should not be 'open to interpretation'. As for applying for British citizenship I may have to one day but I must say I have never felt so 'unbritish'. Also the application is expensive, very time consuming and the 'Swearing Allegiance to the King' surely antiquated...

It should not be 'open to interpretation

No, it should not.

Not everyone is conversant with Government-speak or trained in law.

Greta Mon 20-May-24 10:10:51

Perhaps our HO should make the wording they choose to use absolutely clear. It should not be 'open to interpretation'. As for applying for British citizenship I may have to one day but I must say I have never felt so 'unbritish'. Also the application is expensive, very time consuming and the 'Swearing Allegiance to the King' surely antiquated...