Scottish Greens expel 13 members for declaring “sex is a biological reality”.

Good name for them- you’d have to be really green to vote for them. A shame because they could have been a good party but unfortunately they have had a commonsense bypass.

greens.scot

Now if you were to get your information from source and not from the dailyexpress or other dubious authority, you might be pleasantly surprised.
The Scottish Greens are not all about gender identity after all.

No one has claimed that Scottish Greens are all about gender identity, but when one of their candidates posts things like this, it’s what you hear about Greens.
The trans (male) Sophie Molly tweeted,
As a Scottish Green General Election Candidate I formerly ask @joannaccherry if she will call me a woman? It will be extremely disrespectful and transphobic if she does not or refuses to answer.
How can anyone refusing to lie be called disrespectful?
How can anyone threatening to call people names if they won’t lie be called respectful?

Grammaretto

greens.scot

Now if you were to get your information from source and not from the dailyexpress or other dubious authority, you might be pleasantly surprised.
The Scottish Greens are not all about gender identity after all.

Are you disputing that they expelled 13 members because they signed a declaration that sex is biological and immutable, and that women should be entitled to single sex spaces?

A Scottish Greens spokesperson said: “We can confirm disciplinary action was taken against 13 individuals over a breach of our membership policy, which has resulted in their immediate expulsion from the party.

“The welfare of all our members is our primary concern. The [Conduct and Complaints Committee] process found that the members were in breach of our code of conduct.

“Next month is Pride month and we hope this decisive action will send a clear message that we stand in solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community now and forever.”

Maybe not Mollygo but this entire thread is concentrating on the one headline grabbing unfortunate comment by someone I had never heard of throwing all those who are in favour of a fairer, greener, more peaceful world into the same pit.

Several Scottish Greens are now being subjected to hate crimes because of this. Surely that can't be right?

Several Scottish Greens are now being subjected to hate crimes because of this. Surely that can't be right?
No. It’s no more right than the hate crimes practised against females like JKR who want to protect female safe spaces.
Both are equally wrong and both caused by the lie that you can change sex or the refusal to accept that lie.

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

Maremia

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

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It's news, it's important and it was about the Green Party which seems to be on the rise in UK politics, not just Scottish, often by forming agreements with parties which are in power.

I thought the Green Party had important messages for us about the future of our planet but it seems they are becoming distracted.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention, Urmstongran.

A Scottish Greens spokesperson said: “We can confirm disciplinary action was taken against 13 individuals over a breach of our membership policy, which has resulted in their immediate expulsion from the party.

Disciplinary action? For speaking the truth?

Maremia

How many negative Scottish threads is that now Urmstongran?

Do you think that what’s going on is positive, Maremia?

Allsorts

The animals are in charge of the Zoo I think. Fed up with woke, considering people with crackpot ideas such as 32 genders, load of rubbish. Ladies having a penis.

I don't think it matters how many genders there are - 30 or 300- people can identify however they like, as long as the rest f us aren't forced to accept that their 'identity' alters their biology, their chromosomes.

It seems you are 'allowed' to think that sex is immutable - but not say it.

So we could end up with the situation where any public debate on gender matters is immediately ham-strung, because those who believe the above might well be wary of voicing the fact for fear of losing their job / membership of (whatever) / or position in (whatever).

That would then make debate pointless - which is I think for some trans people, exactly the outcome they want. Hence, "no debate".

A dangerous precedent in a democracy.

Yes, Mollygo, I think there is a lot going on in Scotland that is positive. Urmstongran has presented at least 3 in a row, maybe 4, of negative posts, is that because life is so idyllic where she resides?

Maremia

Yes, Mollygo, I think there is a lot going on in Scotland that is positive. Urmstongran has presented at least 3 in a row, maybe 4, of negative posts, is that because life is so idyllic where she resides?

That’s not what I asked Maremia. I asked if you thought what was going on (in these posts), was positive.
By all means post about positive things in Scotland.

Didn’t realise that those South of Hadrian’s Wall had a limit on threads on anything Scottish.

GrannyGravy13

Didn’t realise that those South of Hadrian’s Wall had a limit on threads on anything Scottish.

Yes, the same way as they hold back from criticising the English.

Criticise as you will if you feel the need.

The Greens were awarded disproportionate influence and power to prop up the SNP government. Minority groups saw that as an opportunity to their advantage and have manipulated the Green Party's agenda to favour their own ends. Humza Yousef was quite right to give them the heave ho when they thought they could hold him to ransom.

I’m new to this, but hopefully I won’t mess things up.
Frankly I think both parties are wrong. Sex is not absolute - there are several reasons for being intersex whether chromosomal/indeterminate genitalia. There are birds with male and female feathers - such is life. Until now people have had no choice about their sex, it’s predetermined by the medical profession at birth & enforced by law.
What is needed is a discussion about how we relate to all people, not signing declarations against intersex people or expelling those who disagree with acceptance.
I remember Prof Alice Roberts in one of her books saying that we will probably need several gender identities to encompass all humanity.
This issue does remind me of the controversy over gay rights in 1988 (clause 28) and we seem to have moved on without the sky falling in.

Mollygo

No one has claimed that Scottish Greens are all about gender identity, but when one of their candidates posts things like this, it’s what you hear about Greens.
The trans (male) Sophie Molly tweeted,
As a Scottish Green General Election Candidate I formerly ask @joannaccherry if she will call me a woman? It will be extremely disrespectful and transphobic if she does not or refuses to answer.
How can anyone refusing to lie be called disrespectful?
How can anyone threatening to call people names if they won’t lie be called respectful?

Does this person really give themselves the surname of Molly?
I think most of know what that means.😁

If Sophie Molly has all the male bits in place then Joanna Cherry can be honest and say that.A transwoman is a transwoman is the real answer.

Not too hot on the spelling - ‘formerly’.

^Does this person really give themselves the surname of Molly?
I think most of know what that means^.😁

I'm sure I haven't led a sheltered life but no, I don't know what it means. 🤔

Of course everyone from everywhere should comment about posts on whichever subject they chose. It's refreshing to read responses from the USA, although Gundy has been missing for a wee while, from Sweden, France, Switzerland New Zealand and Australia, and of course the other UK nations. If you thought I was complaining about that, then you have misunderstood my comment.
What I am intrigued by is this Poster's recent fascination with 'Scotland bad'.

Mollygo, what do I feel about the actual topic under discussion? My instinct is to reject anything that appears to be men bullying women, or imposing their beliefs/systems on them. It has taken millennia for women to achieve the levels of autonomy we experience in the UK just now. We can see from other cultures that this can change very quickly. I grieve for the women of Afghanistan and Iran.
I will listen to and try to sympathize, and help if I can, people in distress, for reasons outwith their control, but the minute they try to assert their rights over mine, I will fight back.
That's a bit of a 'gut' reaction there, nothing intellectual or cultural about it, but that's how I feel. And you did ask.