ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

Glorianny

Katie590

If there is an election, ( that’s a big if) although we have seen Israelis protesting against the war, are we really expecting a majority to vote for leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

Of course they want the hostages back but not at any price, allowing Hamas to remain is not going to solve Gaza’s problems.

Some no doubt are sensible enough to realise that it isn't possible to wipe out Hamas no matter how long the war goes on. Because Hamas is not commanded from Gaza, its leaders are elsewhere.

I can only liken the situation to the Americans and the Vietcong. Extensive bombing, horrific deaths and injuries failed to defeat them. The Vietcong also used torture and violent discipline to keep control over the population, although many were supporters. It isn't easy to subdue a guerilla army when there is support for it.

Any new Gaza civilian government has got to want to live peacefully and play their part in suppressing violence, there is no point rebuilding if Israel is going to step in and destroy it all again.

Whitewavemark2

BBC just said that there won’t be an election and that the far right will be more influential.

Oh joy.

The BBC simply don’t know anymore than we do. It’s speculation. As a news broadcaster they shouldn’t be engaging in speculation.

Whitewavemark2

He is bound to try to totter on as the alternative is arrest and possible imprisonment.

Who’s going to arrest him?

foxie
I must apologise. I didn’t actually write what I intended to write in my post yesterday. I agree with you that it would be much better if international journalists were allowed into Gaza to follow the war, as they do in other wars and conflicts. I think there have been a couple of BBC reports, but they were with the IDF and so only reported on some of the actual battles and the tunnels that were found.
Anyway I meant to say yesterday (I was foolishly trying to write a post quickly whilst in the middle of doing something else) that the International Red Cross have not been allowed to go in to see the hostages but I don’t know whether the Israelis or the Palestinians have not allowed this. I suspect it’s Hamas. They have been delivering aid into Gaza but I understand insufficient for the number of people there. It’s strange that the International Red Cross haven’t pushed for more access since they even visited the concentration camp Theresienstadt, although I think we all are aware that the Nazis put on a whitewash to make the camp look good, so to be honest, I’m not sure what teeth they have actually got.

Katie590

If there is an election, ( that’s a big if) although we have seen Israelis protesting against the war, are we really expecting a majority to vote for leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

Of course they want the hostages back but not at any price, allowing Hamas to remain is not going to solve Gaza’s problems.

Some no doubt are sensible enough to realise that it isn't possible to wipe out Hamas no matter how long the war goes on. Because Hamas is not commanded from Gaza, its leaders are elsewhere.

I can only liken the situation to the Americans and the Vietcong. Extensive bombing, horrific deaths and injuries failed to defeat them. The Vietcong also used torture and violent discipline to keep control over the population, although many were supporters. It isn't easy to subdue a guerilla army when there is support for it.

petra

This article might explain why some viewed Churchill as anti semetic.

www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/uncovered-the-lost-paper-churchill-kept-from-publication

if you had read the link I attached from The International Churchill Society you would know that Churchill didn't write this, it was written by Adam Diston and never published. Churchill had some ideas that we would find unacceptable now but there's no evidence he was anti semitic, actually he was probably a Zionist.

If there is an election, ( that’s a big if) although we have seen Israelis protesting against the war, are we really expecting a majority to vote for leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

Of course they want the hostages back but not at any price, allowing Hamas to remain is not going to solve Gaza’s problems.

This article might explain why some viewed Churchill as anti semetic.

www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/uncovered-the-lost-paper-churchill-kept-from-publication

Not only Hamas

Gantz provided a bit of balance, without him I'm afraid Netanyahu will either have to give in to the demands of the likes of Smotrich and Ben-Givr which will move him further away from what the US is asking or risk S and B-G withdrawing their support and probably bringing about an election. He won't win an election and risks going to prison so tbh I think he'll move closer to S and B-G and the ultra religious groups. This, IMO would be disasterous for Israel, extremely difficult for Biden to navigate (probably guarantee he loses the election) and lead to yet more instability in the Middle East. However, Gantz didn't really have an option. Israel could well end up tearing itself apart without the help of Hamas! It is said that the political unrest that predated 07/10 emboldened Hamas and encouraged them to attack, they must be loving the current situation in Israel!

Will the new regime just carry on or at last provide a "road map? It depends on factors I just don't know enough about, the will of the Israeli electorate, and any plan as regards the hostages.

Blinken (US) arrives today to try and push forward a cease fire, but conditions are not good for this. Israels continued with air strikes.

Wyllow3

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant has not been happy either for a long time

x.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1790776050667913332

He opposes occupation in Gaza demanding non Hamas Palestinian government.

That will be will be a realistic outcome, a non terrorist civilian government in Palestine, BUT, it will have to be overseen buy military authority to ensure security continues

But that was inevitable as an immediate response WWM.

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant has not been happy either for a long time

x.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1790776050667913332

He opposes occupation in Gaza demanding non Hamas Palestinian government.

BBC just said that there won’t be an election and that the far right will be more influential.

Oh joy.

I suppose Gantz could try to form a minority government, but I would guess he’d be reliant on Arab based parties?

I think you are right and there will be an election!

He is bound to try to totter on as the alternative is arrest and possible imprisonment.

Whitewavemark2

Gantz has quit.

Netanyahu now totally reliant on the far right.

If thats what he does, but not necessarily popular in Israel nor stable.

Benny Ganz has pulled out of the regime. It's breaking news so details will follow. I so hope we get a regime that will negotiate and not prolong the war.

Re links - We have to give links to assertions, otherwise how will we find out anything or have discussion?

Giving links is essential, because we can follow them up and check for veracity or contradictions.

Yes we need journalists in Gaza.

To date I don't give links to Al Jazeera and only give BBC links if they have been verified.

I find it useful in terms of news in Israel to check on 2 or 3 sources. (ie following any current new about any "road map" and news on the regime.

Gantz has quit.

Netanyahu now totally reliant on the far right.

An example of why i don’t bother to read many links

With reference to the quote apparently made by Churchill:

In fact, this article has not “lain unnoticed,” and not one word of it was written by Churchill. Nor did the article ever appear in print, either under his name or that of any other. The article was written in its entirety by a British journalist, Adam Marshall Diston (1893-1956).
International Churchill Society with reference to an article written by Dr Richard Toye
winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-135/myth-and-reality-what-did-churchill-really-think-about-the-jews/

Glorianny

Anniebach

Googling will give the answers one wants , does not mean truth

Winston Churchill said, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Polititians never learn from history, if they did they would never have got involve in Arab politics, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria were all stable until we intervened.

Ruled by despots maybe, but we made the situation worse and created mass migration.

International Churchill Society

The leaders of Israel and Hamas, in many ways, are, in many ways, as bad as each other. It’s the poor civilians, of both sides who get caught in the middle.