ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

George Clooneys wife is proof , good grief

I was interested to read that the majority of barristers on the ICC are British.

Also I hadn’t appreciated the distinction between the two entities.

That is why the ICC can charge individuals. The ICJ can only investigate states - which is why Hamas cannot be investigated by them.

I also am of the opinion, after reading around the subject, that it will almost certainly not happen, but that the optics for these people are not good. Netanyahu appreciated this fact as when he got wind of the ICCs investigation into his behaviour, he appealed to Biden to assist in the matter. The USA are not signatories so can only shout from the sidelines. In fact the USA were subject to a similar order during their term in Afghanistan.

The signal sent out by the ICC is a strong warning and is respected by foreign powers.

Interestingly George Clooneys wife is a barrister working for the ICC.

Remember that in normal wars the soldiers are called up and have to fight for their country so should be treated in a fair way once prisoners by both sides.
In this conflict one side are barbaric terrorists.

CNN article:

edition.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html#:~:text=The%20law%20permits%20the%20military,drastically%20deteriorated%20since%20October%207.

foxie48

I think people are confusing the ICJ (International Court of Justice ie World Court with the ICC )International Criminal Court). the former is a civil court that hears disputes between countries, the latter is a criminal court that can prosecute individuals. They are not the same.

You are right, it is the ICC, a criminal court, based at the Hague that have brought the charges, not the ICJ also based at the Hague, a civil tribunal hearing cases between countries.

Hmm, wonder how any Israelis captured or hostages are treated by hamas in Gaza?
Given what happened to over a thousand innocent Israelis last October you can’t blame any less than kind actions directed against hamas fighters who were injured and ended up in military hospitals!

Have the Jewish medics and soldiers in IDF been named ?

When anyone takes part in activities that are war crimes or crimes against humanity it doesn't just affect the victims it also dehumanises the oppressor. This why IMO it's important to ensure that those settings the standard of behavior in war stick to the rules and should be held responsible if the rules are ignored. Medics in Israel have reported the abuse of Palestinians detainees in Military hospitals. Can you imagine what it must be like to witness the torture of sick people whilst they are in hospital and be unable to challenge it? BTW these are Jewish medics working in Israeli hospitals. Soldiers in the IDF have also made similar complaints anonymously for fear of reprisal. It's not anti semitic to challenge inhumane behavior, it's what any human should do.

I think people are confusing the ICJ (International Court of Justice ie World Court with the ICC )International Criminal Court). the former is a civil court that hears disputes between countries, the latter is a criminal court that can prosecute individuals. They are not the same.

Wyllow3

thank you, I didnt know.

Do you know if it is given as "Cash" ie Government grants to Israel for military aid, (as in the USA, tho I'm sure they are suppliers)

Or is the granting of licences "permission" to buy arms not government aid?

From 2003-2023 Germany’s arms exports to Israel amounted to €3.3 billion
Including big ticket items such as submarines and what are listed as weapons of war

All the above information and much more is public and on Google. This was updated 24/04/24

thank you, I didnt know.

Do you know if it is given as "Cash" ie Government grants to Israel for military aid, (as in the USA, tho I'm sure they are suppliers)

Or is the granting of licences "permission" to buy arms not government aid?

Wyllow3 latest data shows that 30% of Israeli arms come from Germany

On the 30th April 2024 the ICJ said it would not stop Germany exporting arms to Israel, if this is taken as a precedent then the same should be afforded to U.K. and USA

It's the amount of arms supplied by the USA which is the crucial point.
amounts:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/57170576

It’s not going to make the slightest difference to the war, because Netanyahu expects his military to risk their lives to defend Israel, he is Commander in Chief and faces the same risk.
Ultimately death, but UCJ will only give custodial penalties, it’s no deterrent if he believes in what he’s doing.

foxie48

GrannyGravy13

foxie48 the UK Government grants export licenses to private companies who in turn supply components for Israeli planes.

This makes up approximately 1-2% of Israeli weaponry/arms imports.

These licenses are reviewed at regular intervals.

Would the private companies be held to account or the Government?

No idea but no doubt these are things that will be discussed in the media should the request for arrest warrants be upheld.

I think it will be the government as they grant the export licence.
Policy on that
The UK government controls the export of military equipment, including firearms, and requires a license from the government to export controlled goods to other countries. Controlled goods include firearms, their parts, components, accessories, ammunition, software, and technology. The government assesses applications against its export guidelines, which prohibit sales when the items might be used for internal repression, serious violations of international humanitarian law, or to provoke or prolong armed conflicts.

GrannyGravy13

foxie48 the UK Government grants export licenses to private companies who in turn supply components for Israeli planes.

This makes up approximately 1-2% of Israeli weaponry/arms imports.

These licenses are reviewed at regular intervals.

Would the private companies be held to account or the Government?

No idea but no doubt these are things that will be discussed in the media should the request for arrest warrants be upheld.

Oreo

I think a huge number of people are looking the other way when it comes to attitudes towards Israel by Palestinians, their supporters and those in countries that surround Israel.
They hate Jews.There were lots of celebrations in so many countries after the October massacre.

Exactly

I don’t think the UK will stop selling arms to Israel, but in any case what we supply is a tiny percentage.
The people of Gaza aren’t being given ‘proper protection’ simply by this ruling.

foxie48 the UK Government grants export licenses to private companies who in turn supply components for Israeli planes.

This makes up approximately 1-2% of Israeli weaponry/arms imports.

These licenses are reviewed at regular intervals.

Would the private companies be held to account or the Government?

Glorianny

Let's hope it causes the UK to stop supplying arms to Israel.
It is good to see the people of Gaza being given proper protection at last.

FFS.

I think a huge number of people are looking the other way when it comes to attitudes towards Israel by Palestinians, their supporters and those in countries that surround Israel.
They hate Jews.There were lots of celebrations in so many countries after the October massacre.

You are joking right?

It wasn’t generally accepted by many Palestinians or their supporters.

Oreo

‘Strengthen the resolve of pro Palestinians’ ?I guess they will ignore the fact that all the hamas leaders have been named too.
Conveniently ignore.

Despite what you may think Oreo I haven't seen any evidence that the majority of people on Pro Palestine marches are supportive of Hamas, so I would expect them to be equally pleased that Sinwar, Haniyeh and al-Masri are included.

Glorianny

Let's hope it causes the UK to stop supplying arms to Israel.
It is good to see the people of Gaza being given proper protection at last.

Well it should give the UK pause for thought as if the request for arrests are upheld the UK effectively becomes complicit to war crimes (I should think). I'm not sure how it would affect the US though as they have not signed up to the ICC. Netanyahu could still visit the US without fear of arrest but the US might be also seen as complicit in war crimes. I'm very pleased that the three Hamas leaders are also charged but I think it was generally accepted that they had committed crimes against humanity.