ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

Glorianny

Katie590

If there is an election, ( that’s a big if) although we have seen Israelis protesting against the war, are we really expecting a majority to vote for leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

Of course they want the hostages back but not at any price, allowing Hamas to remain is not going to solve Gaza’s problems.

Some no doubt are sensible enough to realise that it isn't possible to wipe out Hamas no matter how long the war goes on. Because Hamas is not commanded from Gaza, its leaders are elsewhere.

I can only liken the situation to the Americans and the Vietcong. Extensive bombing, horrific deaths and injuries failed to defeat them. The Vietcong also used torture and violent discipline to keep control over the population, although many were supporters. It isn't easy to subdue a guerilla army when there is support for it.

Any new Gaza civilian government has got to want to live peacefully and play their part in suppressing violence, there is no point rebuilding if Israel is going to step in and destroy it all again.

Maddyone absolutely no problem!

Have googled a lot on the journalists issue, it appears both sides are doing the stopping no doubt for their own reasons.

Netanyahu has 3 charges of corruption still standing against him. Support for proceeding with charges depends upon the commentators POV!

He's tried to change the role of the judiciary but there was a huge revolt against that

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65086871#:~:text=This%20removed%20the%20power%20of,%2C%20Benjamin%20Netanyahu%2C%20to%20resign.

but this has been over- taken by war in Gaza.

Katie590

Glorianny

Katie590

If there is an election, ( that’s a big if) although we have seen Israelis protesting against the war, are we really expecting a majority to vote for leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

Of course they want the hostages back but not at any price, allowing Hamas to remain is not going to solve Gaza’s problems.

Some no doubt are sensible enough to realise that it isn't possible to wipe out Hamas no matter how long the war goes on. Because Hamas is not commanded from Gaza, its leaders are elsewhere.

I can only liken the situation to the Americans and the Vietcong. Extensive bombing, horrific deaths and injuries failed to defeat them. The Vietcong also used torture and violent discipline to keep control over the population, although many were supporters. It isn't easy to subdue a guerilla army when there is support for it.

Any new Gaza civilian government has got to want to live peacefully and play their part in suppressing violence, there is no point rebuilding if Israel is going to step in and destroy it all again.

Agree with that last sentence - only negotiations can promote this.

It’s reported that three of the hostages were kept imprisoned in the house of a Palestinian journalist and his doctor Father in Gaza.
I can’t imagine how they must have felt for that length of time.
I have an awful feeling that very many of the other hostages are already dead.

I fear you are right Oreo , surely hostages not held in a house
of an Israeli journalist and a doctor 😱

If you cared anything at all for the welfare of your own people why on earth would you keep hostages in amongst a tightly packed civilian population? Israel like most civilised governments provide adequate shelter and provision for its population in time of conflict, as we did in WW2 . The only people responsible for all these awful deaths and injuries on both sides for both young and old are Hamas. They knew perfectly well what Israel's response would be to that dreadful massacre, it would seem that the more suffering they can cause, the better they like it! How people can support them is beyond me.

Thank you foxie.

I read that the three men were kept together in an apartment of a Hamas member, who could of course be a doctor or a journalist. If it was true it could suggest bias in the reporting. Not Israeli Annie, but Palestinian. I also read that the girl who was freed said that she was kept next door with a family in an apartment. There must still be apartments left intact in that case, although we know that many buildings and homes have been destroyed. I also read that the IDF have recovered the bodies of sixteen of the hostages. We don’t know if this is true, it’s not been very widely reported as far as I can tell. I believe what the hostages have said about their incarceration. What motive would they have to lie?

I think whenever this is over, there will be elections in Israel, but I’m speculating of course. I don’t know.

I'm afraid you are right Oreo, most of the hostages I too fear are dead. Those two little red haired boys and their mother are reportedly dead. What an awful business this is. The wickedness of Hamas towards their own people as well as Israel is quite mind blowing.

Sorry, thank you Maddy Palastinian journalist and a doctor.

No problem Annie, just a senior moment. I have them often.

I agree Jaberwok. Hamas show no mercy to their own people as well as the hostages and the Israelis they murdered. They are vile terrorists who need to be disabled, but I do agree with Gloriannyin that an idea cannot be killed. The capacity to wage such an attack again is what needs to be controlled. I don’t know how it will all play out, but clearly it cannot be allowed to happen again. Alongside the deaths of the Israelis killed in the original attack, look how many Palestinians have been killed and injured. It can never be allowed to happen again.

Hamas really don't care about the Palestinian people, they are terrorists but they do recruit from the desperate and dispossessed, which is why the treatment of civilians in Gaza is not only inhumane it is also counter-productive. However, this is an argument that has been rehearsed time and time again, people either accept that or they don't! I hope all the hostages have stayed in homes with access to a doctor. The released hostages actually looked reasonably OK considering their ordeal which must be a huge relief to all the families with hostages who are still in Gaza. I heard the mother of the young woman hostage interviewed today. She is pleading with the Israeli government to make a deal, I sincerely hope they listen to her.

Make a deal with Hamas ? Fantasy ,

Yes an idea can't be killed so we need clarity on what is needed as an end strategy. ie Rocket bases, other centres from which to attack.

foxie brings up a hard one. Terrorists do recruit from the desperate and dispossessed, and there are more of those than before, thousands, and so many killed or injured in families.

If you just carry on bombing you just increase the anger.

But I'm sure that there are Palestinians who are only too aware of the damage Hamas is responsible for but can't speak out.

Fear and anger has driven the Palestinians, what has driven
Israel?

Clearly the same.

On both sides however there is another major factor which is territory, land, who occupies it, who lives where, the long term driver of the many conflicts.

This is very sobering if its accurate

An article on Blinkens’ attempts to bring peace

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c511vl9yjwwo

“But Messrs Ben-Gvir and Smotrich have threatened to bring down the Netanyahu government if he agrees to any ceasefire until they are satisfied that Hamas has been eliminated.
They are extreme Jewish nationalists, who want the war to continue until no trace of Hamas remains.

They believe that Gaza, like all the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the River Jordan, is Jewish land that should be settled by Jews.

Palestinians, they argue, could be encouraged to leave Gaza “voluntarily

How? Where? Is this what we really want to see? The Israeli people should be given a say via elections.

I hope all the hostages have stayed in homes with access to a doctor.
Medical facilities in Gaza are virtually destroyed. Where on earth would this doctor come from?

The hostages surely felt they were holiday, Hamas are such
caring terrorists!

One of the Hamas people who was holding the hostages was a doctor. The other a journalist.

Hopefully the momentum now with Gantz resignation, is for an election in Israel.

Surely it’s for a ceasefire, seems the eagerness to be right is of more importance

Ceasefire and release of hostages is the priority.

Yes that immediate priority is for a cease fire, but many Israelis are not happy with the new regime. If - to repeat above - the far right Netanyahu is aligned with want

"They believe that Gaza, like all the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the River Jordan, is Jewish land that should be settled by Jews.
Palestinians, they argue, could be encouraged to leave Gaza “voluntarily".

Then unless the majority of Israel's peoples want that, an election is the only way to achieve another outcome.

If Netanyahu is using the war to hang into leadership then he will prolong it.

The UN security council has backed the latest proposal which is said to have come from Israel. Fingers crossed that it is accepted by Hamas and this dreadful war can end. However, there's no full report of what is contained in it and no guarantee that even Israel will agree it despite it coming from the war cabinet.
"The proposal was agreed to by Israel’s three-man war cabinet and has not been divulged to the wider government. Some far-right ministers have already made clear they oppose it. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not said directly whether he supports the plan as laid out by President Biden."