ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

America is supporting Israel without any help from Trump.
I’m really hoping that Trump will not be elected. I think he is a dangerous man. If he withdraws support from Ukraine, well, it’s unthinkable.

It is thought that Netanyahu is hoping to wait it out in the hope that Trump gets elected, as obviously Netanyahu will expect full support.

At the same time Trump has threatened to withdraw support from Ukraine, and reduce support for NATO.

Oh joy

Hamas must be loving it. All the criticism directed towards Israel. Very little towards Hamas.

Many/most countries were taken by conquest including the UK and we’ve had our share of civil bloodshed in the past, Israel is no different the victor will prevail. Palestine/Hamas is no match for Israel, I don’t believe international pressure will make a jot of difference.

It reminds me of Japan at the end of WW2 preparing for a land invasion, they were calculating losses in the millions but still resolved to fight on, when it was hopeless. Hamas are the same kind of fanatics, except the leaders are safe away from the fighting and quite happy that civilians are dying.

Meanwhile

“Israel’s attorney general has urged the government to establish a state commission of inquiry into the war in Gaza, in order to address “current international legal risks”, after the international court of justice ordered Israel to stop its operation in Rafah and let more aid into the strip.
The international criminal court prosecutor Karim Khan has also applied for an arrest warrant for the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who rejected the attorney general’s demand, saying “the time is not ripe”.

Netanyahu will never stop.

The whole area was never called Israel

I know.
And I’m fairly sure everyone else does too.
But it’s all part of Israel now.

If 100 GNetters called you a tall elegant redhead it wouldn’t make you one

Unless she really is a tall, elegant redhead

Now 100 GNetters could describe me in that way, and unfortunately it definitely wouldn’t make me tall, elegant, or a redhead.

If 100 GNetters called you a tall elegant redhead it wouldn’t make you one.

Wyllow3 I sure agree with your last sentence.

Oreo

Recognising them as a State doesn’t actually make Palestine a State.

Why not?

Katie590

“If Gaza is part of Israel how could it be an invasion?
If this is true it was a rebellion or a revolt, not an invasion.”

At last a statement of fact. Palestine has never been self governed, over the centuries it has always been governed by invaders, most often Egypt. However currently Egypt want nothing to do with Palestinians at any price.

But you called it an invasion!
Palestinians invaded Israel in October and killed 1200 Israelis
You seem a bit confused.

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel, the whole area was called Palestine as a British Protectorate.

The whole area was never called Israel.

Historic fact.

Unless both sides compromise there will never be a chance of peace.

Here's a set of maps showing how that changed over time leading to the current situation

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Personally I wish two states had been established when the chunk of land allocated to Israel and recognised as a state (mainly at the instigation of the US).

sigh.

Recognising them as a State doesn’t actually make Palestine a State.

maddyone

Palestine was governed by the Romans in the time of Jesus.
The Egyptians governed before. Later they were governed by the Ottomans.
Later we were there.
In all this time, thousands of years, there were both Jews, known as Israelites, and Palestinians, who had different names through the ages, present and living in the land now called Israel. Although many from both communities went to live in other countries, there were always Jews and Palestinians in Israel. Gaza is part of Israel. The West Bank is part of Israel. They are not at this point, an independent country, although they have some autonomy over their areas.

The State of Palestine was declared by the PLO in 1988 and recognised by 78 countries.
In 2011 it was admitted to UNESCO
In 2012 it was accepted by the UN as an observer state.
In 2024 144 of the 193 countries members of the UN recognised the State of Palestine.

Palestine was governed by the Romans in the time of Jesus.
The Egyptians governed before. Later they were governed by the Ottomans.
Later we were there.
In all this time, thousands of years, there were both Jews, known as Israelites, and Palestinians, who had different names through the ages, present and living in the land now called Israel. Although many from both communities went to live in other countries, there were always Jews and Palestinians in Israel. Gaza is part of Israel. The West Bank is part of Israel. They are not at this point, an independent country, although they have some autonomy over their areas.

“If Gaza is part of Israel how could it be an invasion?
If this is true it was a rebellion or a revolt, not an invasion.”

At last a statement of fact. Palestine has never been self governed, over the centuries it has always been governed by invaders, most often Egypt. However currently Egypt want nothing to do with Palestinians at any price.

It doesn’t really matter what’s it’s called, it’s brought death and destruction to so many people.

Katie590

Glorianny

I'm amazed that anyone would support the invasion and occupation of one country by another. If this is accepted in Gaza how can we object to Russia occupying the Ukraine? The victor occupies and controls the vanquished seems to be acceptable.

Gaza is not a separate state it is part of Israel
You seem to forget Palestinians invaded Israel in October and killed 1200 Israelis

If Gaza is part of Israel how could it be an invasion?
If this is true it was a rebellion or a revolt, not an invasion.

"What do you think the chant ‘from the river to the sea’ means?!
Palestinians don’t want any Jews in what they see as ‘their’ land."

It would appear that the ultra orthodox Jews don't want any Palestinians in "their" land either. I think we all have to hope that there are enough sensible Jews and Palestinians who understand that if they want peace then there has to be compromise but that won't be achieved whilst Smotrich and Ben-Givr are in the government.
Israel cannot police Gaza indefinitely, it has to be a Palestinian government supported by an International force of some kind. It's such a mess but I think Israel is demonstrating that it's impossible to achieve a military solution so it has to be a political one. fwiw I understand that there are members of Hamas who are prepared to negotiate, they are also divided, just like the Israelis!

Katie590

Glorianny

I'm amazed that anyone would support the invasion and occupation of one country by another. If this is accepted in Gaza how can we object to Russia occupying the Ukraine? The victor occupies and controls the vanquished seems to be acceptable.

Gaza is not a separate state it is part of Israel
You seem to forget Palestinians invaded Israel in October and killed 1200 Israelis

When the initial boundaries for Israel were drawn up in 1948/9 it did not include Gaza nor the West Bank. They were occupied by Israel following the 1967 War.
That's why its contested as to boundaries and led to

"two state solution".

That means that "river to the sea" could never be implemented, but the question of who controls Gaza remains ???

The international declaration by 17 nations including our own:

“As leaders of countries deeply concerned for the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, including many of our own citizens, we fully support the movement towards a ceasefire and hostage release deal now on the table and as outlined by President Biden on May 31, 2024.There is no time to lose.We call on Hamas to close this agreement, that Israel is ready to move forward with, and begin the process of releasing our citizens.

We note that this agreement would lead to an immediate ceasefire and rehabilitation of Gaza together with security assurances for Israelis, and Palestinians, and opportunities for a more enduring long-term peace and a two-state solution

At this decisive moment, we call on the leaders of Israel as well as Hamas to make whatever final compromises are necessary to close this deal and bring relief to the families of our hostages, as well as those on both sides of this terrible conflict, including the civilian populations.It is time for the war to end and this deal is the necessary starting point.”

Its on the government website but this gives greater detail

ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/international/2024/06/06/joint-statement-hamas-gaza-strip-cease-fire-deal

Glorianny

I'm amazed that anyone would support the invasion and occupation of one country by another. If this is accepted in Gaza how can we object to Russia occupying the Ukraine? The victor occupies and controls the vanquished seems to be acceptable.

Gaza is not a separate state it is part of Israel
You seem to forget Palestinians invaded Israel in October and killed 1200 Israelis

I'm amazed that anyone would support the invasion and occupation of one country by another. If this is accepted in Gaza how can we object to Russia occupying the Ukraine? The victor occupies and controls the vanquished seems to be acceptable.

Many countries have military or paramilitary security forces, in the case of Gaza their own civilian police would take charge of day to day security. If they failed to maintain control then the military would have to take over and restore order, or repel terrorist attacks from outside.

There will be international aid for rebuilding Gaza but this must not be a cover for bringing arms into Gaza as Hamas did.

Israel produces many of their own armaments, but the US has committed to supporting them, especially from outside threats, I expect that to continue.

Whitewavemark2

Katie590

That fine if Palestinians recognise those borders, past history has shown that will not happen.

How can past history show that the Palestinians have never recognised the borders if there never been any?

What do you think the chant ‘from the river to the sea’ means?!
Palestinians don’t want any Jews in what they see as ‘their’ land.

I should add, which solution is most likely to give Palestinians an alternative to regarding Hamas as their only option?