Another XL bully death

Good post, Dickens.

Gillycats

Blame the owners, not these dogs. People seem to be overlooking the fact that many dogs that have killed were kept in awful conditions. The recent one of the lady killed by her son’s dogs had been told by him to use a broom to separate the puppies if they fought! They were protecting their puppies. Puppies that should never have been bred in the first place. As I have pointed out on here before there needs to be tighter controls on dog ownership. Many think they’re a bad breed. They’re not. They’re sweet dogs by nature. The problem is those who do not give them proper care and training. And let’s see what the circumstances were about this sad death before judging these dogs. They’ve all been neutered by the responsible owners so they will naturally die out eventually although it’s all a bit pointless because this stupid government are doing nothing about feckless people breeding a different standard. And then it will be Groundhog Day once more.

We are not blaming the dogs. They are responding to their instincts, or 'taunting', or being aggravated, provoked or irritated by something or someone.

They are not "sweet by nature"- they are pack animals and that is part of their survival mechanism. I don't even know what that means - sweet? In what way? Because they show a loyalty to their owner, who they probably see as the pack-leader? They aren't cuddly toys. I think this is part of the problem, that people are convinced they're just lovely, gentle little creatures, given the right environment. Of course they will respond to being properly cared for, and reward with loyalty and 'affection'. And yes they are cute and lovely when they respond to your affectionate stroking and patting. But they are not instinctively "sweet". Domesticated they may be, but the pack instinct is still there - they would not survive if they were instinctively "sweet".

I'm not knocking the bond that people have with their dogs, far from it. I know that dogs are often 'in tune' with their owners emotions, and can decipher facial expressions, etc, etc. But they are still animals and should be respected as such. But this anthropomorphising, attributing human characteristics to animals, is dangerous.

I don't get it either, Dickens

Why anyone would want one unless they want to use them as a threat is beyond me. Yes, keeping them confined is like keeping a prisoner in a cell.

Waiting for these breeds to die out will take too long.

These killing machines should be banned. No one should own one. How do you think neighbours feel? I can’t see how anyone responsible and of sound mind would consider one.

i wonder what happened. As there were two maybe they were fighting and she got involved. Everything we have been told suggests she was responsible and following the rules

Someone got on the bus I was on recently with a bully dog.. they fortunately went upstairs but I was quite perturbed to be in such proximity with one. They are enormous..

I m sorry but they are not sweet dogs Gillycats they are huge powerful killing machines and should not be allowed to be amongst human beings

Blame the owners, not these dogs. People seem to be overlooking the fact that many dogs that have killed were kept in awful conditions. The recent one of the lady killed by her son’s dogs had been told by him to use a broom to separate the puppies if they fought! They were protecting their puppies. Puppies that should never have been bred in the first place. As I have pointed out on here before there needs to be tighter controls on dog ownership. Many think they’re a bad breed. They’re not. They’re sweet dogs by nature. The problem is those who do not give them proper care and training. And let’s see what the circumstances were about this sad death before judging these dogs. They’ve all been neutered by the responsible owners so they will naturally die out eventually although it’s all a bit pointless because this stupid government are doing nothing about feckless people breeding a different standard. And then it will be Groundhog Day once more.

Callistemon21

There was a report on ITV about this latest tragic dog attack.

The house looked like a small terraced house, open plan front and probably a very small back garden.
Apart from the irresponsibility of someone owning not one, but two of these probably dangerous dogs in a confined space, frightening the neighbours, it is not fair on the dogs either.

One of the neighbours who regularly walks her greyhound said she wasn't even aware that there were Bullies in that street - had never seen them, nor, apparently, had those she knew.

Another neighbour had seen the dogs outside the house - but only once - and had warned her small child never to approach it or try to pat it.

The unfortunate woman herself had registered the dogs, so did the 'right' thing - but you have to question the point of keeping dogs confined like that.

What kind of a life does any dog have under such circumstances - they have to be muzzled in public, all escape routes blocked (which is a bit of a nonsense because they can leap fences unless they are very very high), and confined.

It's like keeping a dangerous prisoner in your home, making sure he doesn't come into contact with the public, nor escape.

What is this pervasive 'culture' that attracts on the one hand antagonistic young men, and on the other, middle-aged women, to these powerful and often aggressive dogs? And both frequently living in totally unsuitable accommodation?

I don't get it.

Apologies for posting misinfo on the xl bullies shot by the farmer. Thanks OldFrill and Callistemon for putting it right.
Primrose, I remember your Cane Corso post. I saw a man exercising one round the reservoir where I walk my dogs. It was 18 months old, its behaviour, response to commands superb. The owner clearly an experienced handler. I avoided my spaniel getting anywhere near it. I was relieved I didn’t have my boisterous/occasionally anxious young lab with me. The cane corso was huge. No owner could have controlled that dog if anything/ie another dog, an excitable child had distracted or irritated the dog.
Further round the 3 mile resevoir I met a man with an xl bullie on a lead, no muzzle. He’d two big off lead German shepherd dogs with him.
At this point me and my spaniel stopped our walk and went home.
Sorry to whinge but we responsible dog owners are having our lives disrupted by dogs thst are not your average pet dog, they’re being exercised in areas with lots of families, children on bikes etc. All dogs should be on lead in those areas. I never thought I’d say this

There was a report on ITV about this latest tragic dog attack.

The house looked like a small terraced house, open plan front and probably a very small back garden.
Apart from the irresponsibility of someone owning not one, but two of these probably dangerous dogs in a confined space, frightening the neighbours, it is not fair on the dogs either.

Primrose53

A few months back I mentioned on GN someone buying a Cane Corso dog. The owner is about a size 6-8 and is just about 5ft tall. These dogs are massive and within a couple of months had pulled her over almost breaking her wrist. Her garden is tiny and the house is very small too. It is totally unfair to keep a big dog in that property.

The woman I mentioned earlier who had over 200 bites from an XL Bully also lives in a tiny house, also social housing like this girl.

I think it should be a condition of taking on a tenancy that dogs over so many Kg are not allowed. It’s also very unfair on neighbours.

I remember that you mentioned this woman.

You have to question the mentality of such people - though of course it's frowned on as being 'judgemental'. The woman is a danger to herself and other people. A large and powerful dog like the Cane Corso needs a large house and garden(s) - it almost needs its own house.

It is completely unfair on any animal to keep it so confined.

I think it should be a condition of taking on a tenancy that dogs over so many Kg are not allowed. It’s also very unfair on neighbours.

Agree. I don't understand why it is allowed - it's clearly unfair and unhealthy for the dog, too.

My husband has a gun license, to hold this he has to be deemed mentally fit, background checks are done and our home can be checked at any time by the Police to check ammunition and guns are stored securely and separately.
If he were to fall foul of any of these measures then quite rightly his license would be revoked immediately.

Yet anyone can have these killer dogs, keep them in an unsuitable environment, walk them wherever they wish, by whoever they wish and worst of all keep them in a house with babies and children.

To comply with new legislation dogs should be muzzled in public, neutered and registered.

This is not enough.

I feel strongly that all these dogs should be euthanised.

A few months back I mentioned on GN someone buying a Cane Corso dog. The owner is about a size 6-8 and is just about 5ft tall. These dogs are massive and within a couple of months had pulled her over almost breaking her wrist. Her garden is tiny and the house is very small too. It is totally unfair to keep a big dog in that property.

The woman I mentioned earlier who had over 200 bites from an XL Bully also lives in a tiny house, also social housing like this girl.

I think it should be a condition of taking on a tenancy that dogs over so many Kg are not allowed. It’s also very unfair on neighbours.

Cossy

Dickens I completely agree, owning a dog (or as we consider it having a dog as part of your family), is a huge responsibility. Dogs need lots of exercise, stimulation, love and company and a good firm training plan. They are a long term, expensive, life long (for the dogs life) commitment. It saddens and sickens me to see the amount of dogs of all breeds now abandoned into refuges or worse due to the ridiculous increase in numbers during lockdown! (My daughter guilty as charged, but her three mini dashies are still with her and us and well looked after!)

Totally agree. Far too many people get a dog on a whim (especially puppies), then realise only too late that there's a lot of hard work, time and effort involved in having a dog if you are going to be a responsible owner and give it the attention and training it deserves. And also far too many who treat their poor dog as some kind of toy, novelty or fashion accessory!

In view of all the injuries and deaths these dogs have been responsible for,surely the UK should follow France and make it an offence to own one! How many more people have to suffer before common sense prevails?

Dickens I completely agree, owning a dog (or as we consider it having a dog as part of your family), is a huge responsibility. Dogs need lots of exercise, stimulation, love and company and a good firm training plan. They are a long term, expensive, life long (for the dogs life) commitment. It saddens and sickens me to see the amount of dogs of all breeds now abandoned into refuges or worse due to the ridiculous increase in numbers during lockdown! (My daughter guilty as charged, but her three mini dashies are still with her and us and well looked after!)

Cossy

Chestnut

We know these creatures have been genetically modified and are unlike other dogs. This latest killing of their owner just proves they are capable of killing anyone.

How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? Locked indoors, there is always a chance one or more of them will escape through an open door, race into the street and go for the first child they come across.

They should all be put down, no exceptions. I don't want my grandchildren (or anyone else's) to come across one of these on their way to school.

As a lifelong dog owner and besotted dog lover I completely agree

My OH would love to have a dog. However, being disabled (both of us to some extent), I wouldn't dream of it.

A dog needs regular and proper exercise, sometimes training, and visits to the vet, etc.

As Chestnut says, How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? A good question.

Our ex neighbours (30 somethings) out at work all day kept a dog - back door open and allowed to roam the pocket-handkerchief size garden. The animal got a brief walk, as far as I could tell, in the evening, round the block. On a lead. It simply is not acceptable to keep an animal if you are not prepared, or cannot, give it the life it needs to keep it healthy and happy.

Sometimes, after an attack, you discover that these Bullies are kept in fairly small properties with tiny gardens - is it really any wonder that they leap over fences and go on the rampage?

Chestnut

We know these creatures have been genetically modified and are unlike other dogs. This latest killing of their owner just proves they are capable of killing anyone.

How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? Locked indoors, there is always a chance one or more of them will escape through an open door, race into the street and go for the first child they come across.

They should all be put down, no exceptions. I don't want my grandchildren (or anyone else's) to come across one of these on their way to school.

As a lifelong dog owner and besotted dog lover I completely agree

Callistemon21

Joseann

Apparently, it's all these Grammaretto.

These breeds are banned in the UK:

Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) bans the ownership of four different types of dogs including some traditionally bred for fighting:

Pit bull terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Braziliero
The XL Bully will become illegal to own from the 1st February 2024 without a certificate of exemption

The XL Bully is not recognised as a specific breed; they are cross breeds but the government has specified certain characteristics to define an XL Bully.

Isn't the XL Bully a mastiff?

With armed officers still yet to arrive, Paul Jones took matters into his own hands, telling police he was licensed to own the weapon. Officers confirm to him that he could legally kill the dogs to prevent further attacks on his animals.

The owner of the dogs, David Hughes, 27, of Pen y Wern, Rhosllanerchrugog, admitted being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control and being the owner of a dog worrying livestock. He was handed a £500 fine, as well as costs and surcharge or £230 and £180 and banned from keeping animals. Jones lost more than £14,000 worth of animals in the attack.

uk.news.yahoo.com/xl-bully-dog-attack-north-wales-farmer-093239232.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANP4_p96s49u513f5npMDKmIYZDmjr9uxyjskH6aZZlnvGw8fjCiPdPqG5cH8C5qK82mA7-jUDkhBWhP4ZSXhPtEMtutbTMIFYtCSK3JS8lusesx1s9qTYQBPVZBwzYCh8XySHMRzwfU7b63gtpqoIJ_OX85vcwBHci5FKxzqVW9

Wel, done Mr Jones. That's two less.

OldFrill

In the case if the Welsh farmer who shot 2 XL bullies that killed 22 of his pregnant sheep, the farmer was not the owner of these dogs.
It had been misreported in early media reports that the farmer owned the dogs.

I thought it sounded very odd that a Welsh sheep farmer would own XL Bullies and not proper sheepdogs.

In the case if the Welsh farmer who shot 2 XL bullies that killed 22 of his pregnant sheep, the farmer was not the owner of these dogs.
It had been misreported in early media reports that the farmer owned the dogs.

Joseann

Apparently, it's all these Grammaretto.

These breeds are banned in the UK:

Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) bans the ownership of four different types of dogs including some traditionally bred for fighting:

Pit bull terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Braziliero
The XL Bully will become illegal to own from the 1st February 2024 without a certificate of exemption

The XL Bully is not recognised as a specific breed; they are cross breeds but the government has specified certain characteristics to define an XL Bully.

An incident a few houses away yesterday where 2 dogs (the bully ones but small ugly looking) were fighting and bit a man who tried to separate them. There was fighting among the neighbours about whose dog was to blame and after several hours the police have taken the dogs away. I don't understand why anyone wants these very unattractive animals and why they don't seem to stop them yapping all the time.