Another XL bully death

Unfortunately you can’t legislate about every eventuality. These dogs were owned by the lady and were properly registered and she chose to keep them.

I was discussing xlbullies with my friend here in France yesterday. They are ILLEGAL here.

Exactly Rosie which just goes to show the rules are useless The lady in question had followed the rules and was still killed by her own dogs proving the rules do not go far enough
There should be no bullies they are not a recognised breed and they should be completely banned Gone, finished
It was the owner killed but it could just have easily been a visitor, a neighbour, a child.
I have seen Bullies out without muzzles since the legislation who is there to enforce it ?? I encounter one on its own luckily it walked straight past me, I ve seen people struggling to control their strength and weight.

You don’t need to legislate about every eventuality, just one.
Bullies and their variants are not allowed

It is very very unlikely that you will ever see legislation that every dog that looks like an XL bully is put down just for looking a certain way. Who is going to kill all these dogs you won't find many vets prepared to put down a healthy happy dog for no reason apart from its physical attributes.
Track down any illegal breeders make it illegal to adopt a dog from anywhere other that a recognised charity or registered breeder. Enforcement of training courses for any existing owners to ensure they know the breed they are dealing with sometimes they really concentrate on the wrong end of the dig lead.

I still don't understand why anyone would want an aggressive breed of dog.
Interesting that these bully dogs are banned in France because from my experience of staying in the South of France 20 years ago was seeing big scary dogs guarding properties. They were tied or penned up but still intimidating.

Apparently, it's all these Grammaretto.

When will the owners ever learn?
There was a woman drooling over her X L Bullies on tv a while ago and how they’d never hurt a fly.Yeah, right.

Why would anybody even want a killing machine in their home? I believe it’s because they feel they have dominance over these dogs but they don’t. 99 times they may be able to tell them what to do but on the 100th the dog is boss!

Our local newspaper and TV reported on a young woman who needed over 200 stitches after an XL Bully she claims to have taken in attacked her. The daft girl already had one XLB of her own and insisted in the report that she knew what she was doing. Then she claimed when the dog attacked her, her own dog “saved” her! She had to hide in her bathroom and shout until someone heard her. She spent 2 weeks in hospital with serious wounds and the XLB was destroyed but she says she is keeping the other. Imagine living next door to that!

Oreo

When will the owners ever learn?
There was a woman drooling over her X L Bullies on tv a while ago and how they’d never hurt a fly.Yeah, right.

The apparent love and loyalty of Bullie owners for their animals would make an interesting case study for psychologists.

I find it hard to understand their appeal to middle-aged women. They look mostly quite brutal.

And, you're right - my-Bullie-is-a-softie-and-wouldn't-hurt-a-fly... bullies photographed next to new-born babies, oh so adorable, etc.

I wish the whole breed and its offshoots would die out.

It is absurd for a human to predict the behaviour of a pack animal, and arrogant to think you can overcome it.

We know these creatures have been genetically modified and are unlike other dogs. This latest killing of their owner just proves they are capable of killing anyone.

How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? Locked indoors, there is always a chance one or more of them will escape through an open door, race into the street and go for the first child they come across.

They should all be put down, no exceptions. I don't want my grandchildren (or anyone else's) to come across one of these on their way to school.

There was an incident in March 2023 when a Welsh farmer shot his 2 XLbullies after they killed 22 of his sheep and injuring another 48.
He admitted in court being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog and being the owner of a dog worrying livestock. He was banned from keeping dogs for 5 years and fined £900 though the incident cost £14,000.
Why a sheep farmer would keep XLbullies remains a question. How he will manage without a sheep herding dog another question

I feel for police having to go into these dangerous situations, then often being criticised if they shoot the dog

Iam64

There was an incident in March 2023 when a Welsh farmer shot his 2 XLbullies after they killed 22 of his sheep and injuring another 48.
He admitted in court being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog and being the owner of a dog worrying livestock. He was banned from keeping dogs for 5 years and fined £900 though the incident cost £14,000.
Why a sheep farmer would keep XLbullies remains a question. How he will manage without a sheep herding dog another question

I feel for police having to go into these dangerous situations, then often being criticised if they shoot the dog

Did he use the Bullies as herders, or did they just go for it, so to speak?

They must have really gone on the rampage to kill and injure so many sheep.

It will be difficult for him to herd without a dog - it can be done, but is time consuming and difficult. Maybe he will have to employ someone for the job - if he can find anyone who is an expert in the field - literally.

But why the hell did he keep dogs that were out-of-control? Dangerous dogs are a threat to everyone and anyone. If they had escaped when maybe children were running around somewhere...

And yes, I feel sorry for the police who always come under fire when they do what they have been instructed to do - destroy a dangerous animal. What the heck are they supposed to do instead?

An incident a few houses away yesterday where 2 dogs (the bully ones but small ugly looking) were fighting and bit a man who tried to separate them. There was fighting among the neighbours about whose dog was to blame and after several hours the police have taken the dogs away. I don't understand why anyone wants these very unattractive animals and why they don't seem to stop them yapping all the time.

Joseann

Apparently, it's all these Grammaretto.

These breeds are banned in the UK:

Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) bans the ownership of four different types of dogs including some traditionally bred for fighting:

Pit bull terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Braziliero
The XL Bully will become illegal to own from the 1st February 2024 without a certificate of exemption

The XL Bully is not recognised as a specific breed; they are cross breeds but the government has specified certain characteristics to define an XL Bully.

In the case if the Welsh farmer who shot 2 XL bullies that killed 22 of his pregnant sheep, the farmer was not the owner of these dogs.
It had been misreported in early media reports that the farmer owned the dogs.

OldFrill

In the case if the Welsh farmer who shot 2 XL bullies that killed 22 of his pregnant sheep, the farmer was not the owner of these dogs.
It had been misreported in early media reports that the farmer owned the dogs.

I thought it sounded very odd that a Welsh sheep farmer would own XL Bullies and not proper sheepdogs.

With armed officers still yet to arrive, Paul Jones took matters into his own hands, telling police he was licensed to own the weapon. Officers confirm to him that he could legally kill the dogs to prevent further attacks on his animals.

The owner of the dogs, David Hughes, 27, of Pen y Wern, Rhosllanerchrugog, admitted being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control and being the owner of a dog worrying livestock. He was handed a £500 fine, as well as costs and surcharge or £230 and £180 and banned from keeping animals. Jones lost more than £14,000 worth of animals in the attack.

uk.news.yahoo.com/xl-bully-dog-attack-north-wales-farmer-093239232.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANP4_p96s49u513f5npMDKmIYZDmjr9uxyjskH6aZZlnvGw8fjCiPdPqG5cH8C5qK82mA7-jUDkhBWhP4ZSXhPtEMtutbTMIFYtCSK3JS8lusesx1s9qTYQBPVZBwzYCh8XySHMRzwfU7b63gtpqoIJ_OX85vcwBHci5FKxzqVW9

Wel, done Mr Jones. That's two less.

Callistemon21

Joseann

Apparently, it's all these Grammaretto.

These breeds are banned in the UK:

Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) bans the ownership of four different types of dogs including some traditionally bred for fighting:

Pit bull terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Braziliero
The XL Bully will become illegal to own from the 1st February 2024 without a certificate of exemption

The XL Bully is not recognised as a specific breed; they are cross breeds but the government has specified certain characteristics to define an XL Bully.

Isn't the XL Bully a mastiff?

Chestnut

We know these creatures have been genetically modified and are unlike other dogs. This latest killing of their owner just proves they are capable of killing anyone.

How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? Locked indoors, there is always a chance one or more of them will escape through an open door, race into the street and go for the first child they come across.

They should all be put down, no exceptions. I don't want my grandchildren (or anyone else's) to come across one of these on their way to school.

As a lifelong dog owner and besotted dog lover I completely agree

Cossy

Chestnut

We know these creatures have been genetically modified and are unlike other dogs. This latest killing of their owner just proves they are capable of killing anyone.

How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? Locked indoors, there is always a chance one or more of them will escape through an open door, race into the street and go for the first child they come across.

They should all be put down, no exceptions. I don't want my grandchildren (or anyone else's) to come across one of these on their way to school.

As a lifelong dog owner and besotted dog lover I completely agree

My OH would love to have a dog. However, being disabled (both of us to some extent), I wouldn't dream of it.

A dog needs regular and proper exercise, sometimes training, and visits to the vet, etc.

As Chestnut says, How many of them get enough exercise to keep them sane? A good question.

Our ex neighbours (30 somethings) out at work all day kept a dog - back door open and allowed to roam the pocket-handkerchief size garden. The animal got a brief walk, as far as I could tell, in the evening, round the block. On a lead. It simply is not acceptable to keep an animal if you are not prepared, or cannot, give it the life it needs to keep it healthy and happy.

Sometimes, after an attack, you discover that these Bullies are kept in fairly small properties with tiny gardens - is it really any wonder that they leap over fences and go on the rampage?

Dickens I completely agree, owning a dog (or as we consider it having a dog as part of your family), is a huge responsibility. Dogs need lots of exercise, stimulation, love and company and a good firm training plan. They are a long term, expensive, life long (for the dogs life) commitment. It saddens and sickens me to see the amount of dogs of all breeds now abandoned into refuges or worse due to the ridiculous increase in numbers during lockdown! (My daughter guilty as charged, but her three mini dashies are still with her and us and well looked after!)

In view of all the injuries and deaths these dogs have been responsible for,surely the UK should follow France and make it an offence to own one! How many more people have to suffer before common sense prevails?

Cossy

Dickens I completely agree, owning a dog (or as we consider it having a dog as part of your family), is a huge responsibility. Dogs need lots of exercise, stimulation, love and company and a good firm training plan. They are a long term, expensive, life long (for the dogs life) commitment. It saddens and sickens me to see the amount of dogs of all breeds now abandoned into refuges or worse due to the ridiculous increase in numbers during lockdown! (My daughter guilty as charged, but her three mini dashies are still with her and us and well looked after!)

Totally agree. Far too many people get a dog on a whim (especially puppies), then realise only too late that there's a lot of hard work, time and effort involved in having a dog if you are going to be a responsible owner and give it the attention and training it deserves. And also far too many who treat their poor dog as some kind of toy, novelty or fashion accessory!

A few months back I mentioned on GN someone buying a Cane Corso dog. The owner is about a size 6-8 and is just about 5ft tall. These dogs are massive and within a couple of months had pulled her over almost breaking her wrist. Her garden is tiny and the house is very small too. It is totally unfair to keep a big dog in that property.

The woman I mentioned earlier who had over 200 bites from an XL Bully also lives in a tiny house, also social housing like this girl.

I think it should be a condition of taking on a tenancy that dogs over so many Kg are not allowed. It’s also very unfair on neighbours.