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Whitewavemark2 Thu 23-May-24 07:29:20

I am not sure if it will be possible over the next 42 days, but I thought it would be fun to try to see. How the polls perform after the various gaffs that the politicians will inevitably make.

Whilst the gap is huge at the moment, it will almost certainly close as the days go by.

I think I’ll use Politico (poll of polls)

Casdon Fri 24-May-24 13:33:25

Another Tory MP is leaving, Greg Clark, MP for Tunbridge Wells.

This apparently means a total of 75 Conservative MPs are standing down, which equals the total from the 1997 election.

MayBee70 Fri 24-May-24 13:05:09

Well, it would be a chance for Sunak to spell out what his party have achieved over the past 14 years. The only good things I can come up with being gay marriage and a tax on plastic bags.

Oreo Fri 24-May-24 12:55:58

LizzieDrip

^Starmer is refusing to dance to Sunak’s tune^

Agreed WW. And, Oreo, I’m pleased that KS isn’t a ‘natural showboater’. We’ve had more than enough of them in recent government.

Some showboating and a bit of the old razzle dazzle can be a good thing at election time.
Do you realise that a lot of the general public don’t know a thing about Keir Starmer and a lot don’t even recognise his photo.People watch tv! Debates are a great idea, and would have been a great chance to be in front of big audiences once a week for six weeks and become known to them.

Oreo Fri 24-May-24 12:50:53

Wyllow3

You are assuming that 6 debates are both necessary and desirable. Why are they?

For the reason I highlight above, tho I know that question wasn’t for me.

Oreo Fri 24-May-24 12:48:51

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Whitewavemark2
How can you agree with both me and Casdon on this aspect?
Tbf it was me that agreed with you when you said that Starmer needs to make waves soon and that invisibility won’t cut it.
It won’t.

Quite easily. I think that Starmer needs to reach out to the vast majority of voters who take zero interest in politics and will be entirely unaware of Labours plans, hopefully they will be made much clearer in the lead up to the election -thus “the waves” remark

With regard to his character, I want a steady, serious man of integrity and I think I have got that in Starmer, but I do think that this sort of personality does not necessarily gell with the general public,

I agree with you about his character, decent, hardworking and a real family man.
Also that those character virtues don’t always gell with the public cos their window cleaner can be all of that, they want more from a prospective PM.
That’s why he needs to be visible from day one, not later leading up to the GE. From people I talk to socially and at work hardly anyone knows anything about him.
Maybe he needs to have more vocal people from the shadow cabinet around him to help with voter appeal?
Labour has a massive lead in the polls, but when it comes to the election am thinking there will be a real low turn out to vote and split between many parties which could lead to a hung parliament.
More needs to be done, people watch tv and more debates in front of the camera the better.I don’t think that two are enough to get him really recognised.

Casdon Fri 24-May-24 12:45:19

Craig Mackinlay, the Conservative MP who lost all his limbs to sepsis, will not run for his South Thanet seat in the upcoming general election. I do feel sad for him, because he had hoped to have a phased return, but understandably he says he cannot cope with the campaign at the moment.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:42:56

You are assuming that 6 debates are both necessary and desirable. Why are they?

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:42:23

12:37Wyllow3

Perhaps protest in China or India then they are the cause of all the world's polutition not the UK. Doesn't everyone care about their children and grandchildren I certainly do, I thought it was a given and you didn't have to explain.

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:37:47

12:32Wyllow3

What's your proof he's not afraid. He afraid all right, he's afraid he won't have pre knowledge of the questions and he can't cope without his script, just my opinion.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:37:33

Nicenanny3

Wyllow3

Tice intends to increase money in the pot by abolishing Net Zero 2050 agreements, one of the things BJ actually did reasonably well on. Disastrous consequences.

I don't believe in Net Zero, most voters want cheaper energy not silly green policies that cost them money.

I care enough about my grandchildren and their children to want them to have a world actually fit to live in.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:36:10

Why do you think point scoring macho contests are the best way to get complex policies across, Nicenanny3?

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:34:03

Wyllow3

Tice intends to increase money in the pot by abolishing Net Zero 2050 agreements, one of the things BJ actually did reasonably well on. Disastrous consequences.

I don't believe in Net Zero, most voters want cheaper energy not silly green policies that cost them money.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:33:39

Nicenanny3

11:17Whitewavemark2

How will he do that if he doesn't appear on the TV?

He will appear on TV. There will be lots of broadcasts in different programmes and interviews.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:32:37

Nicenanny3

Wyllow3

what we could do without

Why? Starmer is afraid.

Proof he is "afraid" as opposed to not prioritising? Just Sunak game-playing.

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:31:59

11:17Whitewavemark2

How will he do that if he doesn't appear on the TV?

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:30:24

Tice intends to increase money in the pot by abolishing Net Zero 2050 agreements, one of the things BJ actually did reasonably well on. Disastrous consequences.

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:30:15

Wyllow3

what we could do without

Why? Starmer is afraid.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-May-24 12:03:39

Urmstongran

Shame all the same that Keir Starmer is so bluddy boring to listen to! Once he’s up on his hind legs he just drones on. Ye gods. Beam me up Scottie … 🚀

Well why bother? Your vote is going to Reform I think?

Did you see Tice on Newsnight last night being made mincemeat by whatshername (old age!) . I admired how he kept smiling through gritted teeth😄😮

Urmstongran Fri 24-May-24 11:38:46

growstuff

Urmstongran

Analysis for The Telegraph by the polling group More in Common found that if Reform secures 9 per cent of the vote the Conservatives will win 35 fewer seats as a result.

However, if it won 14 per cent, a level at which it has consistently polled in recent months, then the impact would be even starker, costing the Tories 64 MPs.

I hope that's persuaded you to vote for Reform wink.

🤣🤣🤣

Urmstongran Fri 24-May-24 11:37:50

Shame all the same that Keir Starmer is so bluddy boring to listen to! Once he’s up on his hind legs he just drones on. Ye gods. Beam me up Scottie … 🚀

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 11:35:17

Just the beginning of the right wing parts of the media attacks, WWM2.

LizzieDrip Fri 24-May-24 11:27:54

Starmer is refusing to dance to Sunak’s tune

Agreed WW. And, Oreo, I’m pleased that KS isn’t a ‘natural showboater’. We’ve had more than enough of them in recent government.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-May-24 11:18:26

Wyllow3

what we could do without

Starmer is refusing to dance to Sunak’s tune

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-May-24 11:17:41

Oreo

Whitewavemark2
How can you agree with both me and Casdon on this aspect?
Tbf it was me that agreed with you when you said that Starmer needs to make waves soon and that invisibility won’t cut it.
It won’t.

Quite easily. I think that Starmer needs to reach out to the vast majority of voters who take zero interest in politics and will be entirely unaware of Labours plans, hopefully they will be made much clearer in the lead up to the election -thus “the waves” remark

With regard to his character, I want a steady, serious man of integrity and I think I have got that in Starmer, but I do think that this sort of personality does not necessarily gell with the general public,

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 11:01:46

what we could do without