Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

growstuff

Yes, we know that, but is avoidance always moral or what the Treasury needs? The government just has to change the law to male avoidance illegal. Maybe it does need to be discussed - and who better than somebody who knows what he's talking about?

Avoidance covers ISA’s , not sure abolishing them will be a vote winner.

GrannyGravy13

We have friends of all political persuasions, rich Conservatives, Champagne Socialists, those who never vote, some who only have state pensions (who happen to be dyed in the wool Tories)

I value my friends for themselves not for their political views.

Ah! So you do know some socialists. Do they know you think they're thick?

Yes, we know that, but is avoidance always moral or what the Treasury needs? The government just has to change the law to male avoidance illegal. Maybe it does need to be discussed - and who better than somebody who knows what he's talking about?

We have friends of all political persuasions, rich Conservatives, Champagne Socialists, those who never vote, some who only have state pensions (who happen to be dyed in the wool Tories)

I value my friends for themselves not for their political views.

Avoidance (legal) or evasion (illegal)?

Germanshepherdsmum

I have no need to expand my social circle wwm. I’m surprised your conversations with delivery drivers extend to knowing their political preferences. I only ask about their day, how many more deliveries they have to do and talk about the weather. I doubt they would welcome being questioned about their political preferences.

Do you only speak to delivery drivers? Surely you have other acquaintances.

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, I probably do live in a Tory bubble Casdon. I live in an area which is staunchly Conservative. What I see on tv and read here of Labour supporters is not inspirational. You will be pleased to know that, despite being high earning lawyers, my son and daughter in law have rather more pink politics than I do - as did I at their age … if Starmer comes into power I think that will change.

I live in a staunchly Conservative area too, but I know people from outside the area. I also know people with a range of political view who live in the area. I'm truly amazed that anybody only knows of Labour views from GN and TV. Incidentally, I'm not a Labour voter, so I hope you're not counting me in.

Re post above - Former HMRC perm sec Edward Troup is part of small expert panel that will specifically and only look at how to boost tax compliance ie break into the problems of high levels of tax avoidance

Definitely not to implement what was suggested above.

Currently 4.8% which is 35.8 billion. Labour intend to increase the number of Civil Servants with the necessary skills and ability to investigate.

www.taxwatchuk.org/hmrc-tax-gap-2023/#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20tax%20lost,bn%20in%20the%20previous%20year.

I have no need to expand my social circle wwm. I’m surprised your conversations with delivery drivers extend to knowing their political preferences. I only ask about their day, how many more deliveries they have to do and talk about the weather. I doubt they would welcome being questioned about their political preferences.

I can't find a manifesto for Reform. I did find a website that looks like the work of a GCSE student.And lots of talk of saving Britain.

growstuff

Well, now we all know! Labour voters don't work hard, are envious and thick. Anybody going to own up to that personal profile?

So where, I wonder, do the much maligned leftie lawyers who deal with such nonsense as human rights fit into GSM's analysis of voter profiles?

Germanshepherdsmum

You are not, I think, what I perceive to be a typical Labour voter Cossy. I hold my hands up to not really knowing anyone who votes Labour. Maybe the delivery drivers and the ladies who serve me in local shops are dyed in the wool Labour supporters but it’s not exactly what you discuss in passing. My perception comes from what I read on GN (the only social media I use) and from ‘ordinary’ people I see interviewed on tv. Those interviewed seem to have a fraction of your intelligence.

I think you will find, if you listen to vox pop on the news, that the delivery drivers and ladies who "serve" you in the shops are more likely to vote Tory, if not Reform.

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, I probably do live in a Tory bubble Casdon. I live in an area which is staunchly Conservative. What I see on tv and read here of Labour supporters is not inspirational. You will be pleased to know that, despite being high earning lawyers, my son and daughter in law have rather more pink politics than I do - as did I at their age … if Starmer comes into power I think that will change.

The thing is, when the facts don’t bear out your theories, it’s a good idea to rethink. I’ve always found that people’s politics aren’t an indicator of their intelligence, or their aspiration. I’m pretty sure I’m not a dim, unprofessional slacker either, but I’ll go and check.

HousePlantQueen

Robin202

The two main parties are the same book in a different cover with strong links to the WEF and The Great Reset, written by Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. The book of the same title is on sale on Amazon, in case anyone thinks it’s a conspiracy theory.
I do feel ultimately, our parties, or its Leaders are ‘selected’ rather than ‘elected’ as the amount of revolving door PMs we’ve recently had, proves.
So who would I vote for 🤔
I’m sceptical. But I’d try an alternative and go for Reform UK. Their manifesto sits comfortably with me. But there are never any guarantees.

As someone who infers she is well read and does her research, I assume you have read the Reform manifesto?

Have they published their manifesto?

Germanshepherdsmum

You are not, I think, what I perceive to be a typical Labour voter Cossy. I hold my hands up to not really knowing anyone who votes Labour. Maybe the delivery drivers and the ladies who serve me in local shops are dyed in the wool Labour supporters but it’s not exactly what you discuss in passing. My perception comes from what I read on GN (the only social media I use) and from ‘ordinary’ people I see interviewed on tv. Those interviewed seem to have a fraction of your intelligence.

Blimey gsm you need to spread your social circle if the only
people you know are Tory voters. My children are all professional, as are most of my friends but most (not all) are labour voters. My dearest friend who died a few years ago was a dyed in the wool Tory shire voter, but we shared so much else.

I must say that our delivery drivers are certainly not all labour supporters either😄

17:54Casdon

I'll post what I like thank you, just who do you think you are to tell me what I can and can't post, anyway I'm sure you'll be there ready and waiting to correct any posters who get it wrong although only if the posters support Conservatives or Reform.

Robin202

The two main parties are the same book in a different cover with strong links to the WEF and The Great Reset, written by Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. The book of the same title is on sale on Amazon, in case anyone thinks it’s a conspiracy theory.
I do feel ultimately, our parties, or its Leaders are ‘selected’ rather than ‘elected’ as the amount of revolving door PMs we’ve recently had, proves.
So who would I vote for 🤔
I’m sceptical. But I’d try an alternative and go for Reform UK. Their manifesto sits comfortably with me. But there are never any guarantees.

As someone who infers she is well read and does her research, I assume you have read the Reform manifesto?

Yes, I probably do live in a Tory bubble Casdon. I live in an area which is staunchly Conservative. What I see on tv and read here of Labour supporters is not inspirational. You will be pleased to know that, despite being high earning lawyers, my son and daughter in law have rather more pink politics than I do - as did I at their age … if Starmer comes into power I think that will change.

Trouble with tax avoidance most of us are on PAYE and have no option to either avoid or evade as tax is removed before we get our sticky hands our money.
A Tory friend was shocked to find she had to pay tax on her pension and savings. I had to explain.

Well, now we all know! Labour voters don't work hard, are envious and thick. Anybody going to own up to that personal profile?

Just a suggestion but you might consider extending your acquaintance /friendship group a little wider GSM.
You might be surprised to find intelligent and sometimes even ‘professional’ people ‘ who actually vote Labour,

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax avoidance isn’t a problem, growstuff, it’s tax evasion which needs to be cracked down on. Tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and can only be dealt with by legislation.

Did I say it was a problem? I don't think so! Stop reading something which isn't there.

All I did was highlight somebody's CV.

Nicenanny3

14:41Casdon

Yes and look how that turned out. I don't do homework (I have got a life) I just post what I think and feel. I personally think Blair is pulling Starmer's strings but Blair did have charisma whereas Starmer is like a cardboard cutout.

We all have our opinions, that’s what the site is for Nicenanny3. Just don’t post things about other parties that can be checked and proved to be blatant lies, and pass them off as fact!

Tax avoidance isn’t a problem, growstuff, it’s tax evasion which needs to be cracked down on. Tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and can only be dealt with by legislation.

I credited you with being better than that last post of yours GSM.