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meddijess Thu 23-May-24 12:07:00

I would not vote Conservative, but I don't trust Labour not to open the floodgates to yet more people who really don't like us and want to do us harm. Who to vote for - any ideas?

MaizieD Tue 28-May-24 21:58:39

I did actually say why I thought she had tweeted in my first or second post on the subject but you were all so busy Thornberry hating that it seems to have been missed.

Rosie51 Tue 28-May-24 20:05:59

MaizieD

Rosie51

Callistemon21

Rosie51

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption?

I think the same as Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband.

Me too! I really can't see any alternative explanation, which is why it would be good if MaizieD could give us hers.

I think that if people are determined to be offended they'll be offended.

I suspect that Milliband and Reeves made a political decision in the face of the manufactured outrage.

That doesn't answer the question What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption does it?
You have your suspicions about Milliband and Reeves, and see those of us that thought the tweet offensive as being if people are determined to be offended they'll be offended. implying there's no justification for being offended.
So it would be very enlightening if you could tell us why you think she tweeted that and what she was implying by it.
Sorry for the long nested quote, but I think it needs the entirety to make sense.

El73 Tue 28-May-24 20:02:29

I agree, and I have.
I won't dignify that narrow minded comment with a response, though. It's a waste of time.

MaizieD Tue 28-May-24 18:12:07

Rosie51

Callistemon21

Rosie51

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption?

I think the same as Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband.

Me too! I really can't see any alternative explanation, which is why it would be good if MaizieD could give us hers.

I think that if people are determined to be offended they'll be offended.

I suspect that Milliband and Reeves made a political decision in the face of the manufactured outrage.

Urmstongran Tue 28-May-24 16:42:31

Yes! Lady Nugee.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 15:32:21

Callistemon21

To be rather more frivolous - Ms Thornberry just comes across to me as the epitome of the old- fashioned Tory matron from the Shires, the Hyacinth Bucket who accidentally found herself in the Labour Party

Got it in one!

Rosie51 Tue 28-May-24 15:21:53

Callistemon21

Rosie51

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption?

I think the same as Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband.

Me too! I really can't see any alternative explanation, which is why it would be good if MaizieD could give us hers.

Callistemon21 Tue 28-May-24 15:16:54

Rosie51

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption?

I think the same as Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband.

Rosie51 Tue 28-May-24 15:05:59

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

What did you think she meant by tweeting that photo with that caption?

MissAdventure Tue 28-May-24 14:48:32

grin

Callistemon21 Tue 28-May-24 14:48:00

To be rather more frivolous - Ms Thornberry just comes across to me as the epitome of the old- fashioned Tory matron from the Shires, the Hyacinth Bucket who accidentally found herself in the Labour Party

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 14:41:36

I could only ever see it as critical of white van man and people who display big St George flags when England are playing a big football game.

Iam64 Tue 28-May-24 14:40:25

I don’t believe Emily Thornberry is any more condescending to any particular ‘ class’

I’m surprised you see her as aspiring to represent ‘the working class’ Maddyone. She wants to be part of a Labour government that represents her constituents. The Labour party is currently being criticised from within for not being ‘working class’ enough

What a class conscious country we remain

maddyone Tue 28-May-24 14:39:49

It doesn’t matter how I read it Maizie.
It matters how her fellow Labour politicians read it, and that’s exactly how they read it.
You clearly approve of her actions.

Callistemon21 Tue 28-May-24 14:34:18

MaizieD

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

Well, Ed Miliband and Rachel Reeves read it that way and who are we to argue?

Ed Miliband sacked her.

Rachel Reeves was even more furious.
Ed Miliband was right to sack Emily Thornberry from the shadow cabinet because she was “condescending and disrespectful” towards working people and damaged Labour’s election prospects when she tweeted a picture of a house decked out in St George’s flags, Rachel Reeves, the shadow work and pensions secretary, has said.
In some of the strongest criticism of the former frontbencher, Reeves said that Thornberry’s tweet was contrary to the values of the Labour party.

Speaking on the Sunday Politics programme on BBC1, Reeves said: “I thought Emily was being condescending and disrespectful of people I went into politics to serve, so I think it’s right that she went. I think it’s right that she’s no longer in her job, because what she was suggesting doesn’t represent the ethos and the values of the Labour party.

Guardian 2014

I'm afraid that I do find her attitude generally patronising and sneering.
If Labour do win then I hope she's not brought to the forefront of the Cabinet.

MissAdventure Tue 28-May-24 14:20:29

Taking a photo of someone's house isn't condescending??

MaizieD Tue 28-May-24 14:14:07

Bit she wasn't condescending.

Unless you really, really wanted to read it that way...

maddyone Tue 28-May-24 14:03:22

Having a title doesn’t make Emily Thornberry a snob.
Being so condescending towards a man with England flags outside his house does make her a snob.
I’m amazed that anyone finds anything to defend about her.

MayBee70 Tue 28-May-24 12:59:45

Germanshepherdsmum

Try listening to her for a while. That should convince you.

Of course we’ve listened to her. Why assume that we haven’t?

zakouma66 Tue 28-May-24 12:50:56

Nicenanny3

zakouma66

How could anybody be so dim as to assume " white" referred to the ethnicity of the van driver?

Ah well. There you have it.

That's what you thought though wasn't it. Are you calling yourself dim. I know what the phrase means.

Of course I didn't think that? I can be a bit absent minded but not dim generally.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-May-24 12:47:45

Try listening to her for a while. That should convince you.

MaizieD Tue 28-May-24 12:46:13

She then made a comment about “white van man”.

She posted a picture of a house displaying 3 St George's flags with a white van parked outside. Her comment was 'Image from Rochester'.

That was the tweet all the fuss was over. Where did she say 'white van man'?

If those of you who think she's a 'snob' can give me some rather more concrete evidence of he 'snobbishness' I'm happy to accept that I'm wrong.

And leave her title out of it. Having a title by virtue of marrying a man with a title is not evidence of being a snob.

Rosie51 Tue 28-May-24 12:29:14

MayBee70

And then there was the time that she called Stockton on Tees a s******e. Oh hang on a minute, that was the current Home Secretary wasn’t it. But let’s forget that because he tried to deny it didn’t he.

I hadn't realised that a bad act by one MP excuses a bad act by a different one. Does it only count if they're from different parties, or can colleagues also cancel each other out? Voting for Labour doesn't mean you have to accept any behaviour from all Labour MPs. I can't stand the woman, she's a smug, pompous snob.

MayBee70 Tue 28-May-24 12:16:12

And then there was the time that she called Stockton on Tees a s******e. Oh hang on a minute, that was the current Home Secretary wasn’t it. But let’s forget that because he tried to deny it didn’t he.

Nicenanny3 Tue 28-May-24 12:07:09

zakouma66

How could anybody be so dim as to assume " white" referred to the ethnicity of the van driver?

Ah well. There you have it.

That's what you thought though wasn't it. Are you calling yourself dim. I know what the phrase means.