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Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

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meddijess Thu 23-May-24 12:07:00

I would not vote Conservative, but I don't trust Labour not to open the floodgates to yet more people who really don't like us and want to do us harm. Who to vote for - any ideas?

Visgir1 Thu 23-May-24 17:19:11

I have tended to vote for the best candidate for my area, which for several years has been a very pro active, visual Conservative lady MP. Unfortunately due to boundary changes we have lost her, I'm not sure on new one, who was a local MP in the nearby constituency . She has been very high profile in the recent past, but I'm not sure I can vote for her.
I'm not sure what to do?
What ever happens, it's going to be a very low turn out, that might include me.

winterwhite Thu 23-May-24 17:17:39

I wouldn't judge a potential prime minister by their answer to the question of 'what a woman is' and I wouldn't be impressed by a party undertaking to prioritise the issue of gender identity.

Cossy Thu 23-May-24 17:16:55

I too would be more than willing pay a penny or even tuppence more per £ of my taxes if it meant workable, efficient and effective public services. No more quangos though thanks.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 17:15:24

silverlining48

24 pages of irrelevant criticism of another party does not make the Conservatives more electable.
They should be looking at their own massive disasters - how many unelected PMs have we had, Home Secretaries ?
Sacked ministers reemployed sacked again….chaos, scandals of all description; , its embarrassing. They should hang their heads in shame.

I still wait for 40 new hospitals, 45,000 new doctors, nurses ditto, etc etc, we all know what they promised and never delivered.

That’s not the point. The point is what the cost of Labour’s proposals will be to each and every one of us - and those are only the proposals revealed thus far. I await hearing what this ‘commercial taxation’ is all about and how that will affect what the parties love to call ‘hard working people’. The next few weeks will be interesting.

Cossy Thu 23-May-24 17:15:00

Smileless2012

The gender nonsense I referred too is the belief that it's possible to change sex; the erosion of women's spaces; biological men competing against women in sports and the language that pertains to women, being replaced with 'chest feeders', 'people who bleed' and 'people with a cervix'.

I am not comfortable with a PM from any party being either unable or unwilling to say what a woman is. Nor am I comfortable with the Green Party expelling members for speaking the truth that biology determines sex.

Ok, thanks for explaining, and yes, I have to agree that much nonsense has been spouted around some transgender issues.

I just don’t want to hear ever again that neither Sunak nor Starmer know what a woman us, you’re all perfectly aware that they know very well what a woman is having both married one! It’s boring, boring, boring!

DiamondLily Thu 23-May-24 17:14:17

Sorry - I meant if the NHS was going to be reformed.

DiamondLily Thu 23-May-24 17:13:27

Well, I’d be happy to pay more if he was going to be reformed, but I’m not happy just slinging more money at it.🤷‍♀️

GrannyGravy13 Thu 23-May-24 17:11:57

silverlining48 the U.K. electorate do not elect the PM of any party, we can only vote for the candidates in our own constituency.

Party members and/or elected MP’s vote for the PM.

silverlining48 Thu 23-May-24 17:10:04

Houseplantqueen you are right. Over many years people have said they would not mind an extra penny on the pound to raise tax, especially if it’s ring fenced for the NHS, I am on the old pension rate but pay tax and would agree to a tax rise. We probably pay less tax than many other European countries where public services are better than here,

Gwyllt Thu 23-May-24 17:07:59

Try living in an area with a Plaid Cymru MP
No promises of any input from any party to coax you to vote for them as they know they don’t stand a chance

silverlining48 Thu 23-May-24 17:04:36

24 pages of irrelevant criticism of another party does not make the Conservatives more electable.
They should be looking at their own massive disasters - how many unelected PMs have we had, Home Secretaries ?
Sacked ministers reemployed sacked again….chaos, scandals of all description; , its embarrassing. They should hang their heads in shame.

I still wait for 40 new hospitals, 45,000 new doctors, nurses ditto, etc etc, we all know what they promised and never delivered.

MissAdventure Thu 23-May-24 17:00:23

Labour for me.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 16:59:18

Have you read the link I posted?

Mollygo Thu 23-May-24 16:57:44

because we need a change was one reason why Labour lost when Conservatives got in. I don’t doubt it will be the same next time.
I just wish KS didn’t seem so untrustworthy to me.

HousePlantQueen Thu 23-May-24 16:55:33

Perhaps the increased taxation that Sunak is trying to frighten everyone with is the money needed to repair the damage done over the past 14 years? You know, the serious under investment in infrastructure, public services etc. So if this is the case, why is it Starmer's fault?

kittylester Thu 23-May-24 16:55:28

I take on board GSM's point about eeading the manifestos (and obviously will do so) but I can't be the only person who also gets a 'gut' feeling about people.

karmalady Thu 23-May-24 16:53:28

I voted Tony Blair and will never consider voting for labour now. They will open the floodgates wide and break our economy and our backs and our country

I would vote reform but will not be wasting my vote, so it will be conservative for me

AGAA4 Thu 23-May-24 16:51:41

I have been a Conservative voter most of my adult life but have lost faith over the last years.
I don't trust Labour to make any difference and possibly make things worse. I, too, find Starmer's stance on gender issues worrying. At least Sunak has said he knows what a woman is.
So a dilemma for me in July.

Grannybags Thu 23-May-24 16:48:08

I've voted Conservative all my adult life but I have been in such a dilemma as I can't vote for them this time and have been trying to come to terms with having to vote Labour to get the Tories out.

However my constituency is changing due to boundary changes and my new MP would be JRM - all of a sudden it's an easy decision!

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 16:47:25

Don’t just pass them off as irrelevant. Read and consider.

silverlining48 Thu 23-May-24 16:46:09

What the Conservatives comments on Labour proposals are is totally irrelevant.
Instead of criticising Labour their time might be better spent examining their own, too many to list, failings.

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 16:45:27

Diamond lily is absolutely right, the Tories were supporting self ID not so long ago, it has happened under their watch.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 16:37:19

Starmer might know what a biological woman is, but he seems to have difficulty with the notion that such a person cannot have (or have had) a penis.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 16:34:06

Here are the Conservatives’ comments on the cost of Labour’s proposals.
public.conservatives.com/publicweb/Labour-tax-rises.pdf

DiamondLily Thu 23-May-24 16:32:53

Smileless2012

The gender nonsense I referred too is the belief that it's possible to change sex; the erosion of women's spaces; biological men competing against women in sports and the language that pertains to women, being replaced with 'chest feeders', 'people who bleed' and 'people with a cervix'.

I am not comfortable with a PM from any party being either unable or unwilling to say what a woman is. Nor am I comfortable with the Green Party expelling members for speaking the truth that biology determines sex.

I’m with you on both of those issues. But, all this has come about during a Tory reign.

I wouldn’t vote Green, as I find them pointless, but I am sure that Starmer knows what a biological woman is. He’s married to one, and his daughter is another.

So, I’m voting for the NHS, and to end the chaos, and to try to improve things - even a little.

The Tories are so dire they need replacing - and Labour are the only ones that can do that. 🙂