Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

Nicenanny3

23/05/2024 18:39zakouma66

Nicenanny3

Also I forgot the awful sneering Emily Thornberry who looked down her nose at the hard working white van man and the English Flag no thanks.

hard working white van man? really?

*yes hard working white van man, traders such as plumbers, electricians mostly use white vans, hence English people call then white van man, sigh*

She pointed out that her brother was a white van man.

Starmer achieved academic and career success by working hard. I know a number of excellent barristers whose origins were working class. One of the best failed his A levels first time round.

Thanks for explaining what you meant by ‘woke’ NanKate. It’s meaningless otherwise. I share the concerns about the erosion of women’s rights but I understand the reluctance of some to be drawn into debates that don’t acknowledge the needs of the silent majority of trans people with such aggressive anti terf campaigns led by a noisy aggressive minority.

23/05/2024 18:39zakouma66

Nicenanny3

Also I forgot the awful sneering Emily Thornberry who looked down her nose at the hard working white van man and the English Flag no thanks.

hard working white van man? really?

yes hard working white van man, traders such as plumbers, electricians mostly use white vans, hence English people call then white van man, sigh

Maybee70 perhaps I have used the wrong word ‘woke’ but what I mean is that ‘some’ Labour MPs put trans rights ahead of women’s rights which is very worrying to me. Our grandmothers and further back, fought for women’s rights and I am worried that Sir Keir and others in his Party do not stand up for women as I believe they should.

Of course some of the MPs in other Parties may also have this trait, that’s why I am concerned and confused.

Finally before I am wrongly accused of being transphobic, I am not, I just want women to be valued and not to have their Rights diminished.

Don't want Conservatives to continue wtih all the back stabbing and in fighting and absolutely useless at controlloing the out of control immigration.
Labour will be even worse and certainly will not have control over the boats. Starmer will attempt to get us back in the EU if he gets the chance. The worst possible move - look how they treated us after Brexit!
It will be Reform for me.

This may sway the pensioner vote a bit, to the Tories:

“The Conservatives have promised to raise the tax-free pension allowance via a "Triple Lock Plus" if they win the general election.
Under the plans, the personal allowance for pensioners will increase at least 2.5% or in line with the highest of earnings or inflation.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the scheme "shows we are on the side of pensioners," who the Tories say will save £275 by 2030.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggvrp8v28o

Plus, the so called “shy Tory/undecided” voting:

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/27/labour-polling-lead-conservatives-overstated-tory-election-expert

Conservative government has been a disaster and we desperately need a change. I suggest that anyone who is undecided looks carefully at exactly what Labour are saying they will or will not do. There is a lot of false information out there. Statistics show that the Rwanda policy is not stopping the small boats. Look to the facts then make up your minds.

We've gone into his background in great detail other thread.

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1336544-Do-politicians-need-sex-appeal-to-be-successful-in-these-social-media-times?pg=6

It's fairly clear - ordinary beginnings, made good by working hard at school and later at Uni. No deception involved.

Enough people seem to need to know how people got to be where they are now, its part of who they are.

My point is that he pretends, he tries to deceive

So GSM are you actually saying KS is lying about his background? If this were the case, I’m sure the right wing press would have ‘exposed’ him by now. It would be very easy to prove / disprove. I’m also sure they will have been trying to find something on him for years.

Germanshepherdsmum

Strange that Starmer appeals to ‘ordinary people’. His school became fee-paying whilst he was there. After a first degree he studied for a second degree and was called to the Bar - not a route for a poor person by any means but he would have us all believe that’s what he was.

The school I attended became 100% fee paying while I was there, but my parents didn't pay any fees. Apparently, Starmer received a bursary for his sixth form studies. He would have received a means-tested grant for his undergraduate studies. He achieved a first, so very probably had a grant for his postgrad year at Oxford.

He couldn't help the fact that his grammar school became fee-paying while he was a pupil there, though.
Those who were already there did not have to pay fees.
There must be many of us who went to grammar school.

My point is that he pretends, he tries to deceive.

Ordinary people don't necessarily need someone like Wayne Slob as PM.

We all know that mps are where they are through hard work.

Why shouldn't they come from comfortable means?

Strange that Starmer appeals to ‘ordinary people’. His school became fee-paying whilst he was there. After a first degree he studied for a second degree and was called to the Bar - not a route for a poor person by any means but he would have us all believe that’s what he was.

Undecided. Don't trust Starmer. Happy with my pension - no matter what they say i think Labour will take money
off us. Sunak seems better than Starmer - don't like Starmer's I was poor made good talk. Thinking back to the Blair government. That was pretty awful. They got in under Education Education banner and made a real mess of things. I guess I will decide on the day. I won't vote Green or LD in a main election

NanKate

I won’t vote for Labour as they are not clear, to me at any rate, on protecting women’s issues. Some of them, not all, appear too Woke for me.

What exactly do you mean by ‘woke’?

I won’t vote for Labour as they are not clear, to me at any rate, on protecting women’s issues. Some of them, not all, appear too Woke for me.

BevSec

How I agree with Nicenanny3, she is spot on! I will vote for Reform, Nigel Farage really cares about this country. The last thing we need is to be dragged back into the hated EU.

If he cares so much about this country how come he’s planning to go to America to support Trump?

DiamondLily

Whethertomorrow

My local MP is that fantastically brilliant ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. He doesn’t live in the borough unsurprisingly. The trouble with my area is that you could put a blue rosette on a dustbin and they’d vote for it. It’s so frustrating to live in an area that you know your vote won’t make a difference.

Same in my area, although the incumbent Tory MP was pretty good. But, he’s retiring.

The only chance here is to vote LD, on a tactical basis. Labour will never be elected.

All is not lost Whethertomorrow.
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Spelthorne
There’s a 65% chance of Labour winning Kwarteng’s seat at the election. As Jwarteng is standing down it will be a fresh field of candidates.

BevSec

How I agree with Nicenanny3, she is spot on! I will vote for Reform, Nigel Farage really cares about this country. The last thing we need is to be dragged back into the hated EU.

The only thing he cares about is himself. If he had the courage of his convictions he would stand for election. But no, he's scared of losing for an 8th time. Also, he's going to help Trump.

BevSec

How I agree with Nicenanny3, she is spot on! I will vote for Reform, Nigel Farage really cares about this country. The last thing we need is to be dragged back into the hated EU.

This would be funny if it wasn’t serious

I'll vote labour, not for any particular person or because I'm completely happy with their stance but because it's at least more caring and in touch with real people. It's the direction of travel so to speak, hopefully one that is less self serving and corrupt than the morally bankrupt shower we've had for the last too many years. They probably don't really know the destination yet and will have a real challenge to bring people together. I am sad they aren't saying more about the disaster of Brexit and the very real threat of climate change. Looks like a load of the senior Tory rats are deserting the sinking ship, not interested in serving their constituency voters as back benchers. I'll vote for the party which offers the possibility of hope for the least well off in society. Not voting at all would disrespect the men and women who have fought for the right to do so.

How I agree with Nicenanny3, she is spot on! I will vote for Reform, Nigel Farage really cares about this country. The last thing we need is to be dragged back into the hated EU.

I suspect our civil liberties are safer with Starmer and Labour than Braverman and the rabid right wingers

Rwanda starting to.prove a deterrent? I read lower numbers were because the supply of boats has been disrupted. Migrants are having to pay much more.