Sir Keir and his manifesto

Australian politics is probably worse than British in many ways!

Glorianny

Let me guess in his 100 day "security sprint" there will be levels of threat exposed that will tie up government for the next few years so no changes will be implemented.
Honestly Starmer is getting worse.
I despair.
More and more autocratic government is what I see happening whichever party gets in.
Lets hope I'm wrong. Perhaps a hung Parliament would be best.

I don’t agree with a hung parliament, as there lies the road to bedlam in parliament.

Just look how May found it impossible to get work done when in effect she had a hung parliament over Brexit.

I am prepared to give Labour a chance as I don’t see how it can get any worse.

I think too that you assumption is just that. What changes are you hoping for?

Perhaps a hung Parliament would be best

Glorianny I totally agree with your last sentence, a hung parliament would see parties having to work together for the good of the country.

A Government of any colour with a huge majority cannot be held to account by other parliamentarians unless those in their own party rebel, which ends up with them having the whip removed.

Let me guess in his 100 day "security sprint" there will be levels of threat exposed that will tie up government for the next few years so no changes will be implemented.
Honestly Starmer is getting worse.
I despair.
More and more autocratic government is what I see happening whichever party gets in.
Lets hope I'm wrong. Perhaps a hung Parliament would be best.

Oreo

Must say I wish Starmer would stop with all the bite size descriptions, I mean really, 100 day security sprint!

There isn’t a country in the world where the political parties do not use sound bites.

The reason is obvious.

ronib

Wwm2 government security risk has been handled by the Civil Service for very many years. Just saying … the Civil Service has no excuses for breaches in security so could they stop blaming the government? Ineptitude.

You are missing the point. It is government who handles the purse. That is what is going to inform Starmer’s decision, perceived threat level plus economic position = spend.

Wwm2 government security risk has been handled by the Civil Service for very many years. Just saying … the Civil Service has no excuses for breaches in security so could they stop blaming the government? Ineptitude.

Must say I wish Starmer would stop with all the bite size descriptions, I mean really, 100 day security sprint!

So, although we don’t yet have the manifestos to peruse, we do have some information.

So the latest is that on day 1 if Labour get into government, Starmer is to initiate what he describes as a 100 day security sprint.

In effect getting all the appropriate agencies to report to government on what they see are the various security risks etc to the U.K. .

This information will then be used to inform Labours ongoing decisions with regard to funding the military etc. we know that they intend to raise military spending to the NATO requirement of 2.5%, but when this happens very much depends on two things. First the results of the report, and second the state of the economy which we know is as bad as it has been for ever.

Yesterday we we informed that Labour will not increase either income tax or NI.

There is other information of course.

Good idea if Nanna8 agrees.

Agree ronib

Preferably a separate thread for Australian politics Oero

I am very bored with continuous social class background comments . Social class in the Uk is an obsession. It’s not where you started but where you end up despite bad parenting which happens across all social classes. The year is 2024 not 1824.

Tell us about Australian politics nanna8 is it much the same as here?

Oh - good luck with your proposed new leader, I think you’re going to need it.

He wants to abolish the Lords

No, he wants to reform the HoL so that individuals won’t be able to, in effect, buy a peerage by giving huge donations to the party in government.

Allsorts' post seems a little confused on, well, everything really.

Having a knighthood doesn’t give you a seat in the HoL.

He wants to abolish the Lords

What I was saying he is worth 7.7 million and is a Sir. GSM. People will decide who they think the best.
I agreed that Rishi acted without consulting the people he should have.Siope.

No, Annie.

Allsorts- the Tories haven't produced their manifesto either so I don't know what their plans are, maybe you can tell me?
Starmer came from a working class background and then trained to be a lawyer, so he had help from the system to get where he is, he is not 'self-made,' whatever that means.
Sunak likewise had working parents who the system helped out to enable him to attend a privileged school and marry well. How is that equally 'self-made?'
Laws are overturned all the time, you just don't hear about it. So there would be nothing un-democratic about over-turning Brexit if it has been part of the manifesto.
How can you force school leavers into doing anything? We're not a Fascist state, yet?
Are you suggesting a return to schemes like YOP which merely provided 'work' for young people for pocket money?
The National Service idea is not in itself a bad thing, but Sunak's idea has been plucked from the air with no thought, planning or consideration of the consequences- a bit like Brexit really.

Yes, who is it with the £7.7m?
Considering the Brexit vote was 52/48 it’s a bit rich to say that opponents didn’t turn out.

Because he is a QC ?

I don’t understand - are you saying Starmer has £7.7m and is a member of the HoL (he isn’t)?

The Manifesto is not yet published. You can sign up here to get a copy as soon as it is

labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-manifesto-2024-sign-up/

Labour’s policy isn’t to campaign for a return to EU membership (unfortunately). There are, of course, those in the Parliamentary and wider party who would like to, just as there are in the other main parties, including the Tories.

It was the Tories (or, at least, Sunak, who seems to be operating independently of his own party more and more) who announced plans to form a Royal Commssion to examine a national service scheme. There are a couple of threads about it already.