Starmer’s a decent bloke!

I’m not racist. I’m explaining why some Councils (who have actually complained about this very issue) have had to stretch their monies further these days - compared to when Labour last ran things is all. Goodness you are touchy but don’t let some facts get in the way of your rose tinted spex eh?

Local councils can’t meet their statutory duties because central government cut funding to the bone. I don’t understand why poor northern towns got less money than Kensington and `Chelsea.

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Local councils weren't going bankrupt because of shortage of funds available to carry out their statutory duties, they were even able to run leisure centres and libraries and mend potholes

Ah halcyon days indeed MaizieD before mass immigration changed the responsibilities of said councils perhaps?

BTW we have a wonderful new library in Urmston (check it out all under the Tories) and a fantastic leisure centre that has just been upgraded pretty spectacularly last year! Maybe we are just very fortunate in Trafford?

Mind you .. the potholes are still annoying!

MaizieD

^I remember the disaster last time they governed,^

Goodness yes. It was utter hell, wasn't it?

The NHS was ranked among the top OECD country's health services. You could get same day GP appointments and dental treatment on the NHS. Waiting lists were low and waits for treatment were short. You didn't spend whole days in A &E and ambulances didn't take hours to respond to call outs.

Schools had enough money to employ support staff to work with needy pupils and there were outside agencies working with them too.
School buildings weren't crumbling, there were even new ones being built.

There were Sure Start Centres widely available to help support parents with preschool children to give them a good start in life

Police actually responded to calls and investigated crimes. The criminal justice system worked so that victims of crime didn't have wait years for the perpetrator's to come to trial. The probation service worked.

Our rivers and beaches weren't awash with sewage

Local councils weren't going bankrupt because of shortage of funds available to carry out their statutory duties, they were even able to run leisure centres and libraries and ment potholes.

And to cap it all, when the Global Financial Crisis hit the Labour government rescued the banks which were about to go bankrupt so that their customers didn't suddenly find there was no money in their accounts.

Yup, it was terrible..

I can remember those days and the country has changed dramatically since then... really good post Maizie

Well said MaizieD.
Shropshire lass - I find it hard to believe you lived through the same period in our country’s history as I did - 1997 - 2024 and reached the conclusions you set out.

Shropshirelass

I hope Starmer doesn’t get in, I can’t stand him or his party. I remember the disaster last time they governed, the Tories are still trying to sort it out amid very difficult times. I like Rishi, he gets on with things quietly and so far has done what he said he would. He took on an enormous challenge and Rome wasn’t built in a day. He gets our vote every time.

The challenge being to undo all the damage Truss had done you mean? Or the damage done by 14 years of Tory rule??

Well put MaizieD

varian
That comment to Shropshirelass is incredibly rude!

I remember the disaster last time they governed,

Goodness yes. It was utter hell, wasn't it?

The NHS was ranked among the top OECD country's health services. You could get same day GP appointments and dental treatment on the NHS. Waiting lists were low and waits for treatment were short. You didn't spend whole days in A &E and ambulances didn't take hours to respond to call outs.

Schools had enough money to employ support staff to work with needy pupils and there were outside agencies working with them too.
School buildings weren't crumbling, there were even new ones being built.

There were Sure Start Centres widely available to help support parents with preschool children to give them a good start in life

Police actually responded to calls and investigated crimes. The criminal justice system worked so that victims of crime didn't have wait years for the perpetrator's to come to trial. The probation service worked.

Our rivers and beaches weren't awash with sewage

Local councils weren't going bankrupt because of shortage of funds available to carry out their statutory duties, they were even able to run leisure centres and libraries and ment potholes.

And to cap it all, when the Global Financial Crisis hit the Labour government rescued the banks which were about to go bankrupt so that their customers didn't suddenly find there was no money in their accounts.

Yup, it was terrible..

Shropshirelass

I hope Starmer doesn’t get in, I can’t stand him or his party. I remember the disaster last time they governed, the Tories are still trying to sort it out amid very difficult times. I like Rishi, he gets on with things quietly and so far has done what he said he would. He took on an enormous challenge and Rome wasn’t built in a day. He gets our vote every time.

Have you been reading "The Daily Express"?

I hope Starmer doesn’t get in, I can’t stand him or his party. I remember the disaster last time they governed, the Tories are still trying to sort it out amid very difficult times. I like Rishi, he gets on with things quietly and so far has done what he said he would. He took on an enormous challenge and Rome wasn’t built in a day. He gets our vote every time.

MayBee70

So do you do toolmaking in an office? What would you describe the place in which he did his toolmaking in ?You’re obviously still trying to make Keir out to be a liar

A workshop? That is not exactly a factory.

I’ve read various newspaper articles , summaries and Wikipedia. The consensus is Rodney Starmer was a toolmaker. He worked long hours, devoted himself to caring for his wife who had significant health problems. The couple named Keir after Keir Hardie, they were committed Labour supporters.
Rodney seems to have been an emotionally distant father to Keir. KS regrets not having tried harder in his relationship with his father
Company House has no record of Rodney Starmer owing a factory. It seems that like many other skilled craftsmen, he was self employed.
Keir won a place at grammar school. It became fed paying whilst he was a pupil but like others who were pupils before fees were introduced, he didn’t pay.
He won a scholarship to fund 6th form education. Got a good degree so won a place at Oxford for his Masters. His legal career is impressive.
Yet - some seek to sneer or fib

I’m not engaging any longer with the unpleasantness on this thread.

So do you do toolmaking in an office? What would you describe the place in which he did his toolmaking in ?You’re obviously still trying to make Keir out to be a liar

My American family are over here at present. They are moaning that they will have the choice of two useless and worrying politicians as potential leaders.

We haven’t got the same extremes, but we have two uninspiring leaders, one of whom will be PM in July.

Just a case of who the majority think will do the least damage.🤷‍♀️

MaizieD

I'm not 'targeting' you. I would have responded the same way to anyone else who'd said the same thing.

I’m feeling differently.

I have taken the trouble to do a little research and it seems KS’s father had a one man business, run from rented premises.
He did not work on the factory floor as claimed.
If I consider that I have been targeted today, more than once, I would be pleased if others would not try to become involved.

I'm not 'targeting' you. I would have responded the same way to anyone else who'd said the same thing.

She was just informing you that what you’ve been told about him is a lie. I can’t see a problem with that.

Please stop targeting me Maizie.

maddyone

vintageclassics

Shame he fabricates his working class roots - he says his father was a toolmaker - his father actually owned a toolmaking factory. What else isn't quite true?

Really! I didn’t know that!

You didn't know that, maddyone' because it isn't true, as *Wyllow3 pointed out a few posts earlier on this page. His father had a one man business. Just like lots of tradespeople have.

NanKate

Starmer seems wobbly on defining what a woman is. 😳

Indeed. He couldn’t bring himself to agree that only a woman can have a cervix, famously stating ‘you can’t say that!’
And followed it up with ‘99 pct of women do not have a penis.’
No Kier, if you have or ever had a penis you are not a woman, you are male (or a castrated male. But still male.)
Moreover his treatnent of Rosie Duffield is vile.
As the 19th century feminist Susan B Anthony said ‘No self-respecting woman should ever work or wish for the success of a party that ignores her sex.’
As true as ever.

vintageclassics

Shame he fabricates his working class roots - he says his father was a toolmaker - his father actually owned a toolmaking factory. What else isn't quite true?

Really! I didn’t know that!