Rayner cleared.

Pantglas2

Don’t begin to tell me what my logic is Doodledog - I’ll explain it myself.

I believe that people who want to stop others choosing to spend their money on buying their council houses at huge discounts, or private school education or healthcare but do all or one of those things themselves are hypocrites.

I wasn't telling you your logic, I was pointing out that extending it to its logical conclusion would make all but the Dalai Lama hypocrites, and I stand by that. There is a gulf between wanting to stop people doing something and doing something about making it unnecessary for them to have to.

Rather than get defensive, why not explain what is wrong with my logic?

Depends on whether they want stop others doing it Wyllow …if they do, they are IMO.

On a personal level I don’t have any problem with how folks spend their own money but Labour politicians don’t want voters to have that choice, just themselves!

You are still not addressing my points, which are whether you think nobody should support fairness until everyone has it (in which case, how it can come about is anyone's guess), and the question of how far you think that so-called 'hypocrisy' should be taken.

How is a Labour politician supporting fairness by doing one of the things I posted at 13:48 and then trying to stop others following their lead?

Actually I call that unfair! If it’s good enough for them why not for everyone?

Isn’t it usually referred to here as ‘pulling the ladder up after them’?

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I’m sorry to hear about Basil. Unless the vet can suggest some treatment, it sounds as though you will be doing him a great kindness by having him peacefully put to sleep. I hope you can find the courage to stay with him as he falls into his last sleep, if the vet can do nothing else. Vets will usually come to your home to do this if you wish, but of course there is an extra charge.

I will keep Basil in my prayers. Very best wishes. Many of us have suffered as you are now.

Btw Lucy, if you start a new thread on the Pets forum you will get lots more replies and support.

Pantglas2

How is a Labour politician supporting fairness by doing one of the things I posted at 13:48 and then trying to stop others following their lead?

Actually I call that unfair! If it’s good enough for them why not for everyone?

But AR wasn't a Labour politician! She bought it as a single mother, eight years before going into politics.

As a trade unionist throughout her working life and being adopted by Labour as their candidate in 2014 can we stop pretending that she was apolitical until that moment?

She bought her council house at a large discount when she was a 25 year old single mother - well done I say! Now let’s give that right to others in the same boat.

I think as long as the council house discount rules that were in operation when Rayner bought her house apply instead of the nonsense of the up to 70% discount on purchase brought in under Cameron, that would be reasonable Pantglas. What is important is giving the council the house is purchased from sufficient money to build a replacement.

Here’s the history - be warned, it’s a turgid read.

www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-right-to-buy-history-and-prospect

As far as I can see, Casdon, she would have qualified for 33% + 1% for each year so possibly a max of 40% given her age at time of purchase.

It’s an absolute steal and I totally get that she’d want to do the best for her and her child but to deny the same opportunity to others is the bit that sticks in my craw.

No, she got 25%. I saw it today in an article I was reading about what the plans under a Labour government might be. It’s a controversial topic for sure.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/12/england-right-to-buy-thatcher-labour-leadership

Can we please stop pretending that the LP has said that they would deny the right to buy?

The manifesto is not out yet, but they have said that whilst they would return the discounts to those in 2012, but not remove the RTB altogether. This does not mean that Angela Rayner has 'pulled up the ladder behind her' or any of the other false accusations made on this thread. As well as being (IMO) illogical to suggest that it is hypocritical to push for reforms whilst managing as best you can before they are implemented, it is simply untrue to say that she is trying to deny others something from which she benefited herself.

www.lettingagenttoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2023/12/labour-will-keep-right-to-buy-in-england-if-it-wins-election?source=newsticker

Exactly, Casdon. There's nothing like letting the truth get in the way of prejudice, is there?

Doodledog

Exactly, Casdon. There's nothing like letting the truth get in the way of prejudice, is there?

We are seeing rather more prejudice than facts as the election hots up. I opposed Thatcher’s right to buy but, a but like Brexit, we are where we are. It’s interesting that only social housing is seen to be appropriate for RtB, not the private renting sector, where long term tenants continue to pay rent without the possibility of buying their home.
I’m not suggesting private landlords should be expected to sell at reduced prices to tenants but I remain unconvinced local authorities or housing associations should have to.
The biggest nonsense as most now agree, was refusing to allow local authorities to use money from sales to build new.

Going by Casdon reference History & Policy.org (rather than an article in the Guardian) it would have been an automatic third off valuation (not a quarter as suggested by the journalist) with 1% added per year of tenancy.

The biggest nonsense as most now agree, was refusing to allow local authorities to use money from sales to build new

Was an appallingly bad decision. The stock of social housing could have been maintained.

Basically it was Thatcher's attempt to close down social housing, but why? To be able to cut local council taxation?

I think that destroying the council house system was partly to do with appealing to a section who were not Tory voters, but also to do with destroying the power of local authorities. The income from property has dwindled leaving LAs largely dependent on the money they get from the government.

I agree with you Glorianny

Me too.

Pantglas2

How is a Labour politician supporting fairness by doing one of the things I posted at 13:48 and then trying to stop others following their lead?

Actually I call that unfair! If it’s good enough for them why not for everyone?

She wasn't an MP at that time.

Pantglas2

Going by Casdon reference History & Policy.org (rather than an article in the Guardian) it would have been an automatic third off valuation (not a quarter as suggested by the journalist) with 1% added per year of tenancy.

I don’t know why the discount amounts are different Pantglas, but it wasn’t only the Guardian that reported the discount she received was 25%, it was widely reported in the media. I used the Guardian article because it explained more about the background to Labour’s current position than I had seen elsewhere. Here is the Sky News report.
news.sky.com/story/angela-rayner-rejects-hypocrisy-accusation-after-selling-council-house-for-profit-13080738