Rayner cleared.

Casdon it’s completely pointless arguing about this. You won’t believe me and I simply don’t care.

ronib

Doodledog how do you know how seriously I was considering my vote? Quite ridiculous

Not quite as ridiculous as claiming that the actions of an MPs adult child would be the issue that would put you off voting for a party though. Just be honest and admit you posted this information because it reinforced your prejudices.

Germanshepherdsmum

Verve?

more "Swerve" more like

Doodledog how do you know how seriously I was considering my vote? Quite ridiculous

So often there are families with several children, when adults
they live completely different lives

ronib

Doodledog of course working in the sex industry is not your standard middle class career choice. When you have a very high profile mother , I wonder why you would risk discrediting her especially when she is seeking high office?
Maybe it’s just sour grapes on my part having guided my adult children to meaningful and useful career paths. It tends to reinforce the differences between the Labour Party and myself and although I had seriously considered voting Labour, I see that it does not align with my values.

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Sour grapes? Why would someone be envious of a mother whose child is working in porn? Virtue signal alert - I am delighted that my children are also on meaningful and useful career paths . The difference is that I don't harbour resentment that they don't make their livings from pornography, which is what your 'sour grapes' comment is suggesting you are doing.

I am pleased that Mr Dog and I were able to provide a background that was a springboard to their being able to get on those paths, but I otherwise leave the credit for their hard work to them.

Why should AR's son's choices align with the values of the LP? You are making all sorts of allegations here that you aren't backing up at all. You are assuming that he is a member of the LP, and presumably that he has influence over their policies, but seem reluctant to provide evidence of this. You suggest that there is such a thing as 'family political choices', but again, haven't explained what this means. You have also suggested that porn sits somewhere on the left/right axis, but have ignored my request for clarification here, too.

A career in porn doesn't align with my values either, but I am capable of seeing that adults act independently of their parents. AFAIK, AR has not defended her son's choices in this regard.

I'm unsure as to what you think AR should do about this. 'Begging' her son to take down the site is unlikely to work. If it is illegal she could report him to the police, but if not I'm at a loss to know what she could do to please her detractors. Resign? Mark Thatcher wasn't a paragon of virtue either, was he? for what that's worth. His mother didn't resign, though.

I'm not sure what to say about someone's son's behaviour putting you off voting Labour, other than that it's not likely to make a huge difference to the result. If such a tenuous link to their policies is enough to dissuade you from endorsing the policies that do align with your values then you probably weren't considering the vote as seriously as you suggest.

Yes very sadly Diane Abbott has had a terrible time with her son and I hope that they are both in a better place now. It isn’t easy bringing up children is it?

M0nica

No, she has not been cleared. The police have cleared her saying 'council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing'

She is still be being investigated by HMRC, this is the main enquiry, the police investigation as just a little something on the side.

She is not. HMRC have dropped the case - no case to answer!

Obviously most of us try to bring up our children to be honest and have integrity.

Along with things like not taking drugs, not breaking the law, not abusing alcohol etc.

But, once they reach adulthood, ACs make their own choices - whatever we think.

I think people do worse things than Only Fans - including the offspring of many parents with honesty and integrity.

Should anybody be petty enough to search the annals to find evidence of the transgressions of MPs children, you can rest assured that they are not party specific, and some of them are a lot more serious than this.

Dishonesty is dishonesty. It doesn’t come on a sliding scale. As a retired solicitor honesty and integrity have always been important personal qualities to me. That is not ‘getting high and mighty’.

I think some of this is unfair. Of course most of us try to influence our children to be productive adults in worthwhile careers.

But, it doesn’t always work like that.

Thatcher’s son was, quite honestly, devious and dishonest. But, like her or loathe her, you can’t really blame her for his behaviour.

The offspring of plenty of politicians, all parties, and royals, has been less than savoury.

As parents, we can only do our best. If my ACs chose to set up an Only Fans website, they wouldn’t be influenced by my opinions. I hope they don’t - but I wouldn’t feel responsible if they did.

German Shepard - please don’t get high and mighty about dishonesty , or we could start discussing the many cases of dishonesty perpetrated by this government, their friends like Michelle Mone and dare I mention Boris . I agree dishonesty is wrong but the Angela Raynor case pales into insignificance compared to that lot . Anyway - PS I read HMRC are not proceeding with her case either

If they are both parenting the child, yes I do. They should be instilling values into the child. The values instilled into this young man are highly questionable.

GSM you hold parents responsible for their adult choices ?

Nor mine. I have to wonder about the upbringing of someone who thinks being a sex worker is an acceptable way to earn a living, and about the values of their parents.

Doodledog of course working in the sex industry is not your standard middle class career choice. When you have a very high profile mother , I wonder why you would risk discrediting her especially when she is seeking high office?
Maybe it’s just sour grapes on my part having guided my adult children to meaningful and useful career paths. It tends to reinforce the differences between the Labour Party and myself and although I had seriously considered voting Labour, I see that it does not align with my values.

Willow3, nailed it.

Wasn't it the tightening up of tax avoidance/evasion protocols that really prompted BEXIT?

Wyllow 👏👏👏

Wyllow3

Raynor has been cleared, it's time to stop picking on everything about her and family personally. How many MP's would stand up to equal scrutiny. Stick to the politics.

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Raynor has been cleared, it's time to stop picking on everything about her and family personally. How many MP's would stand up to equal scrutiny. Stick to the politics.

ronib

Doodledog not sure where your argument is taking you. As sure as light is day, Prince Andrew has been excluded from public life. Some kind of minimal standards on public life are very loosely applied still .
No one is decrying AR for her son whatever that means.

My argument is that AR has no control over her son, any more than the late Queen had over hers, or any of us have over the actions of adult children.

I see that as uncomplicated, but am struggling with your notion of 'family political judgement' and don't know how you are aware enough of the son's personal politics to feel that he has made a 'strange career choice'. Can you elucidate, please? If you are not decrying AR, what are you doing? Making a link between her son's behaviour and her political views is doing just that.

Galaxy I don't think anyone is excusing or cheering on porn, and I haven't seen anything suggesting that the son is complaining about hurt feelings.

There is lots of 'oh not the children'.
It is of course possible that they or one of them have been coerced, in fact generally those involved particularly women fare very badly. It's one of those who are the perpetrators and who are the victims. But I am glad it has been raised so people can talk about it.

Fair enough. But, no one has suggested that Rayner herself is involved, and nor have they said that her son and DIL are feeling hurt.