Diane Abbott to be banned from standing for Labour.

I never realised what a very attractive young woman Diane Abbot was.
She has got a lot of stick, sometimes as she stuck by J Corbyn justified. However, Labour have a very poor record with women they don't promote or support them enough. Why couldn't they just let Diane retire at her will? Think it’s been handled badly and it’s come over has a bit spiteful.

tickingbird

^1. There was no begging^

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

Well how very wrong you are. I live fairly close to community of Orthodox Jews and work in the area. I know ( first hand ) that at the medical centre there is a separate entrance, purpose built for women. I know the women marry very ,very young. I know they have an entirely separate and much diminished schooling system for all . Girls leave education at around 12 years old.
I know that the families are very large and ponder as to how they support themselves.

nightowl

Why are people so quick to assume she is trying to disrupt labour’s campaign? She has been a Labour Party member and MP longer than many of the PLP have been alive, she has been an excellent constituency MP, has given her life to politics and perhaps she is going to find it very hard to give this up. I feel very sorry for her and I don’t think she has been treated well.

I think she’s seen as disrupting as Starmer has stayed very clearly she has not been barred!

She’s made a good few blunders in her life, but she’s also made some great steps for black women in politics.

IMO, she should gracefully retire, knowing she had the whip restored.

tickingbird

^1. There was no begging^

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

We have a fairly large community of Orthodox Jews in our area (we can tell because of their dress). We literally never see the women. There must be women as we see a lots of the male children out with the male adults.

Why are people so quick to assume she is trying to disrupt labour’s campaign? She has been a Labour Party member and MP longer than many of the PLP have been alive, she has been an excellent constituency MP, has given her life to politics and perhaps she is going to find it very hard to give this up. I feel very sorry for her and I don’t think she has been treated well.

In early 2013, several British universities followed University College London by allowing separate seating for men and women during talks organised by certain Muslim groups. At the time, Universities UK, the representative body for British institutions, issued guidelines to say it was happy with this policy, yet some journalists lamented that "the sexist eccentricities of some religions" were being given "priority over women's rights".

By the end of 2013, Prime Minister David Cameron's spokesperson had waded into the debate, arguing that "gender segregation" should be banned in all circumstances in British universities, even where audiences voluntarily separated themselves. Universities UK has now dropped its policy pending a review.

Such boundaries between the sexes have long existed in our tradition. In the Bet Hamikdash (Temple), there were places where only women could go and places where only men could enter. Within the men's section, some areas were accessible only to Cohanim and one place restricted solely to the Cohen Gadol, the High Priest. Neither men nor women complained of discrimination or disrespect.

From the Jewish Chronicle.

1. There was no begging

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

She was basically pleading for their votes and you know very little about Orthodox Jews and, in any case, there are very few of them in the UK. Jews in general come to that!

I can’t recall Paul Boateng and Bernie Grant going on about being victims racism as she does

tickingbird

zakouma66

I'm oddly fascinated by the assertion that Angela Rayner is cosying up to Muslim males to get votes.

Just when you think the bar won't go any lower.

Yes my thoughts exactly when I saw the video of Rayner literally begging a room full of Muslim men to vote Labour. Not a woman in sight.

Quite how she squares that with her feminist values I don’t know but, hey, gotta get those Muslim votes!

1. There was no begging

2. Many communities prefer single sex arrangements. Orthodox Jews for example.

Iam64

I’ve found myself wondering if there would be less sympathy if Dianne was a man

Good point. I think you could be right. Probably little sympathy if she was a man.

LizzieDrip

^But, at 70, I think she’s probably past her best (politically) and she might be best just retiring and enjoying her life^

Exactly DiamondLily. I really hope she can find it in herself to stop all this - she is in a position to control the situation. If she chooses to continue attempts to disrupt Labour’s campaign, she won’t do herself any favours. I hope she can be better than that.

Yes.

Btw, am waiting to see just what she wants/what is this union support for? Not clear at all.

I’ve found myself wondering if there would be less sympathy if Dianne was a man

But, at 70, I think she’s probably past her best (politically) and she might be best just retiring and enjoying her life

Exactly DiamondLily. I really hope she can find it in herself to stop all this - she is in a position to control the situation. If she chooses to continue attempts to disrupt Labour’s campaign, she won’t do herself any favours. I hope she can be better than that.

With a 33,000 majority, she stands a good chance of winning, even as in independent.

But, at 70, I think she’s probably past her best (politically) and she might be best just retiring and enjoying her life.

MissAdventure

She,said that because Jewish people weren't made to sit at the back of buses, it somehow,wasn't such bad racism they faced.

Idoitic statement.

It was a very stupid statement!

It’s not a game of my prejudice is worse than yours!

Good points Casdon.
I heard an orthodox Jewish man talking about how much work DA did to support the establishment of a school for orthodox Jewish girls in her constituency.
I can accept she was trying to claim the racism suffered by black people is life long. I can’t accept her comparing it as much worse than the most well established form of oppression and abuse, the pogroms, the driving out of Jewish people from countries in which they settled, culminating in the Holocaust.
As for adding redheads - don’t make me laugh. It diminishes her argument

I do wonder if Labour hq offered her a seat in the HoL if she stands aside and she refused this and made her first statement suggesting she’d been barred from standing
Let’s hope sone least worst compromise can be reached

zakouma66

I'm oddly fascinated by the assertion that Angela Rayner is cosying up to Muslim males to get votes.

Just when you think the bar won't go any lower.

Yes my thoughts exactly when I saw the video of Rayner literally begging a room full of Muslim men to vote Labour. Not a woman in sight.

Quite how she squares that with her feminist values I don’t know but, hey, gotta get those Muslim votes!

Anniebach

She has made the 6.00pm news, seems six unions are supporting her, her bestie Corbyn will be pleased

What argument are they supporting? No one has banned her from anything. This is looking like disruption for its own sake.

What saddens me is that for all the words, the fight isn’t in her, she is well past her prime. I’m not sure at all that if she does stand and win she will be able to cut it as an MP. I feel sorry for her, because she was such a trailblazer, often misguided but always caring.

She has made the 6.00pm news, seems six unions are supporting her, her bestie Corbyn will be pleased

Yes, I agree. October 7th was an outrage. What’s happening in Gaza is an outrage.

I really wish all people could just accept their differences and get along cheerfully, alongside each other.

( to Diamond)

No Annie, she totally wasn't but God knows I dont have it in me to feed this anymore.

Gaza/ Anti Semitism/ Racism all abhorent.

Ah ! so well put. I couldn't formulate the words.

Comparing victims of the Holocaust with people with red hair

I think we need to recognise that anti Semitism exists, and other racism exists alongside it.

It’s not a case of top trumps or a race to the bottom.🤷‍♀️