Diane Abbott to be banned from standing for Labour.

I dont think there will be a split. I am someone who is driven to distraction by the left (as Glorianny can confirm) but I agree completely with the recent tweet by Paul Embery.
'You cannot eradicate the left from the Labour Party and neither should you wish to. They are a bit mad sometimes but they play an important role as an anchor preventing the party from drifting too far from its historical mission'

nightowl

I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic or funny in any way on my thoughts about people on the left’s ‘efforts’. I have seen what happened to a few people close to me who have worked their socks off for the Labour Party, through different leaderships, trying to secure a Labour victory. One of them at great cost to his health. One of them was summarily made to leave, before they pushed him from the party for reasons which were never properly explained to him. He is a Labour man through and through, a man of integrity, who has been broken by the experience. So it’s not a case of people on the left working against a Labour victory but a case of being purged, just as I believe DA felt she was going to be purged, for having the wrong views for this particular incarnation.

It’s not good vs bad; Starmer the demigod vs Corbyn the devil; it’s just different ideas, different times, parties move on and evolve and this too shall pass.

I don’t think it will pass, in the same way that I can’t see the Reform/right of the Tory party passing. I think there will be a split - it’s just when.

Glorianny

Casdon

Glorianny, she did brief that she was going to be banned. Those were her exact words, here she is using them.
news.sky.com/video/diane-abbott-says-she-will-be-banned-from-running-for-the-labour-party-13145268

Of course she used them.
I don't think I have said anywhere she didn't.
I have said if Starmer had behaved properly and the whip had been restored when she completed the required course there would have been no story in the MSM and hence no speech.

Now you’ve lost me *Glorianny, because these were your exact words from the post I responded to.
“Diane Abbott never "briefed that she was going to be banned". The Times picked up on the fact that she was still denied the whip and sitting as an Independent”.

I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic or funny in any way on my thoughts about people on the left’s ‘efforts’. I have seen what happened to a few people close to me who have worked their socks off for the Labour Party, through different leaderships, trying to secure a Labour victory. One of them at great cost to his health. One of them was summarily made to leave, before they pushed him from the party for reasons which were never properly explained to him. He is a Labour man through and through, a man of integrity, who has been broken by the experience. So it’s not a case of people on the left working against a Labour victory but a case of being purged, just as I believe DA felt she was going to be purged, for having the wrong views for this particular incarnation.

It’s not good vs bad; Starmer the demigod vs Corbyn the devil; it’s just different ideas, different times, parties move on and evolve and this too shall pass.

Casdon

Glorianny, she did brief that she was going to be banned. Those were her exact words, here she is using them.
news.sky.com/video/diane-abbott-says-she-will-be-banned-from-running-for-the-labour-party-13145268

Of course she used them.
I don't think I have said anywhere she didn't.
I have said if Starmer had behaved properly and the whip had been restored when she completed the required course there would have been no story in the MSM and hence no speech.

Anniebach I don’t pretend to understand DA’s thoughts or motives. I think it’s clear she’s been unwell. I believe her heart is Labour through and through and prefer to believe her motives are genuine, and I think she would have been extremely hurt at her perceived exclusion from the party. I’m glad KS made the decision he did, whatever the reasons.

Wyllow3

It was tongue in cheek 💁

I'm always just completely confused that some people on the far left seem more concerned with attacking those on the left centre, rather than who we are actually standing against at an election. Lizzie asked a really important question

Glorianny I’d like to ask you a question because I genuinely want to know … do you want the Labour Party, led by KS, to win this election or not?

We have had so many year of Conservative austerity and its effects are felt by all of us who rely on NHS or social care and struggle daily - the "Enemy" is not Starmer for goodness sake.

I really resent this you shouldn't criticise. It is the absolute antithesis of what a democratic party should be.
If someone has to win I want it to be Labour. However I have deep and well founded doubts about how much good Labour under Starmer will do. I don't see in him the dedicated commitment I see in other Labour politicians. I see instead someone willing to abandon any ideals if it seems to be politically expedient. And I find that worrying.

Of course the Tories are the enemy the problem is that many of us see Starmer as Tory-lite. I hope I am wrong. I hope he will save social care and the NHS but I fear that he will not, because he hasn't the will to do so. Criticising me because I do not see any party has the real interests of those most in need at its core isn't really fair, and I doubt very much if my posts on GN are going to lose the election for Starmer.

Win the election … then air your differences.

This.

Anniebach

nightowl Abbott is of the left, what did she achieve this week for Labour by acting on claims in a newspaper of the right ?

What has she achieved for Labour anyway recently?
She’s an albatross round Starmer’s neck.She and Corbyn did massive harm to Labour’s chances, she fluffed every tv and radio appearance and he was just the same dismal Corbyn he always was.Starmer is the only hope the Labour Party has of gaining power.

nightowl why would any party want, or need, members who are intent on disruption during an election campaign. As Wyllow and Iam say, the right thing to do, for the party and the country, is to pull together to try to achieve success. Win the election … then air your differences.

Thank you nightowl, I truly was interested in your views on
Abbott’s motives/reasons

nightowl

I think those on the left feel it works the other way - the party doesn’t want them, or their efforts, it just wants them to disappear and is doing a good job of helping them on their way.

I think you’ve missed a couple of words nightowl. What the party doesn’t want or need is ‘their efforts’ to dominate and disrupt. That is what they do, and that is exactly what has been the curse of the party for years.

I don’t think there’s any more to be said about Diane Abbott Anniebach. There are those of all political persuasions who feel she has been treated badly by the leadership, and those who feel she has been playing games to disrupt the campaign. There are some who feel she is confused and being manipulated by others and there are some who feel she knows exactly what she is doing and is seeking some kind of revenge for what the party did to Corbyn. Nothing I or anyone else says is likely to change anyone’s point of view.

I'm delighted to learn that my Labour candidate actually lives in my constituency and has beaten Eddie Izzard to become the candidate.. He looks very sound and I shall be happy voting for him now that Caroline Lucas has stepped down..

nightowl Abbott is of the left, what did she achieve this week for Labour by acting on claims in a newspaper of the right ?

Wyllow3same here. We didn’t stand in the sidelines, sniping and undermining. We knocked doors, made phone calls did the best we could with the negative comments about Corbyn.
This comradeship seems beyond many who see Starmer as not left enough

I think those on the left feel it works the other way - the party doesn’t want them, or their efforts, it just wants them to disappear and is doing a good job of helping them on their way.

I've been in the Labour Party for years and when Corbyn stood I didn't agree with his policy stands as I felt they were completely unrealistic, based on an idealism not political realities.

But I went out and campaigned for him as did all my branch despite reservations. What we didn't do is stand on the sidelines and snipe at length. We put the arguments against oven ready Boris J.

We hung in there to see what would happen and waited for a chance to democratically vote for the next Labour Leader. Whatever party you are in there will be strong disagreements: but at election time you stand up for your party.

We have seen on the Right that eventually there has been a split with Reform because the disagreements couldn't be resolved.

Anniebach

The far left have given Michael Foot and Corbyn as leaders

Yes. I, too, supported Michael Foot. I’ve got a letter from him somewhere. I learned a lot from that. Good MP’s like him don’t seem to see any evil in others but they need to. And politics is even tougher and dirtier now.

We have had so many year of Conservative austerity and its effects are felt by all of us who rely on NHS or social care and struggle daily - the "Enemy" is not Starmer for goodness sake

It confuses me too Wyllow, which is why I asked the question. During an election campaign, why don’t the left put time and energy into fighting the real opposition - the Conservatives! I just don’t get it … unless they don’t actually want Labour to win!

It’s a mystery to me, this Purist approach. I’m not saying don’t ever criticise the leadership but it sometimes feels like warfare. That Starmer is more of an enemy than Sunak

It was tongue in cheek 💁

I'm always just completely confused that some people on the far left seem more concerned with attacking those on the left centre, rather than who we are actually standing against at an election. Lizzie asked a really important question

Glorianny I’d like to ask you a question because I genuinely want to know … do you want the Labour Party, led by KS, to win this election or not?

We have had so many year of Conservative austerity and its effects are felt by all of us who rely on NHS or social care and struggle daily - the "Enemy" is not Starmer for goodness sake.

Oh here we go again. Anyone on the left who dares to criticise the leadership must be a Marxist. These threads always go the same way.

LizzieDrip

Glorianny I’d like to ask you a question because I genuinely want to know … do you want the Labour Party, led by KS, to win this election or not?

SWP at work?

Glorianny, she did brief that she was going to be banned. Those were her exact words, here she is using them.
news.sky.com/video/diane-abbott-says-she-will-be-banned-from-running-for-the-labour-party-13145268