Labour to get back to an 18 week waiting list within the first term

I feel sorry for the children who will have to be uprooted too. There will probably be some nasty comments and bullying.

Honestly - how anyone can defend the wrecking of our public services, including the nhs after 14 years of Conservative mis-government it beyond me.
The govt has treated public servants with contempt, as seen in its response to the doctors request for pay to be brought in line with inflation.
With Labour we can anticipate efforts to improve rather than destroy
The cost to society of wrecking the NHS, substance misuse and mh health services, the Police, our criminal/civil justice system is immense. The most vulnerable children in the ciuntry waitung 12 months for care proceedings to conclude - I’ll stop there before I get really cross

Let’s not forget the increase in stress and anxiety for teachers in the interim period.

ronib

*GSM*. One definite change is middle class exodus of pupils into the State school system. Not fully costed. Presumably need to build more schools?

How true. It will happen quickly it seems. Classrooms will be even more overcrowded.

MaizieD. Building is a hazardous occupation - more pressure on the NHS?

ronib

*GSM*. One definite change is middle class exodus of pupils into the State school system. Not fully costed. Presumably need to build more schools?

What has that got to do with reducing NHS waiting lists?

GSM. One definite change is middle class exodus of pupils into the State school system. Not fully costed. Presumably need to build more schools?

A Labour government will change nothing.

maddyone

But due to circumstances, nothing can be achieved in the near future either, whoever is in charge.

No quick fixes, but I don't believe anything will change unless we get a Labour government.

Your remarks are made from hope rather than expectation.

Look at the way they have managed decline over the past 14 years.

you will be able to guarantee is that the NHS wil be gone

I certainly don’t agree with that ridiculous comment.

Rubbish. Typical Labour comment.

maddyone

But due to circumstances, nothing can be achieved in the near future either, whoever is in charge.

You can guarantee that nothing will happen if the Tories get back in.

What you will be able to guarantee is that the NHS will be gone.

But due to circumstances, nothing can be achieved in the near future either, whoever is in charge.

My point is that NOTHING at all has been achieved. It is pathetic.

This country has been in chaos since 2016, when Johnson took over. Both pre-date Covid and Ukraine.

Truss destroyed the economy with her nutty budget - nothing to do with outside influences.

Covid and Ukraine haven’t helped, but most of this mess is just internal Tory foul ups.

You seem to conveniently forget the cost of covid, the effect of the war in Ukraine- supporting people with fuel bills and the cost of living - and the cost of supporting Ukraine’s military.

Now if none of the above had happened … but they did. So easy to pretend that they didn’t, and that they were totally unexpected.

I’m not stupid either. I know the fragile fiscal basis on which Starmer’s ‘plan’ is predicated, but you choose not to acknowledge the fragility. It’s estimated that 26% of pupils will be removed from independent schools if VAT is imposed on fees, and some schools will be unable to survive that and the imposition of business rates - so that won’t pull in the money they expected. I don’t know where they will find the people to beef up border force and HMRC, but they will have to be paid; border force officials consider it won’t stop the boats, and I hope you (as a former HMRC employee) understand how long it takes to identify and investigate possible tax evasion, let alone to retrieve any money. So what exactly is going to pay for the ‘plan’ (especially with doctors still holding out for a 35% pay rise)? Promises, promises … undeliverable.

So what happened to

40 new hospitals

Cutting the waiting lists?

50000 new nurses?

Improved care for people with multiple health conditions

Funding to allow people with autism and learning disabilities to move out of care.

No further privatised services

The additional £20.5bn funding.

I could go on.

The began their term in 2010 with stringent cuts and have continued along the same way ever since whilst strenuously denying it.

We are not stupid.

So can you trust the Tories to care for the NHS?

Of course not!

That’s right - but it’s Labour who keep talking about change and make promises such as 40,000 extra hospital appointments a week, to name but one, which they are not going to be able to deliver.

The IFS have said that both the Tories and Labour have reduced their capacity to do much, because both have ruled out raising the 3 major tax revenues.

It won’t be immediate - exactly, and that’s the problem with all the alleged sources of the funding for their ‘plan’. They keep talking about change, but they cannot deliver what they talk about.

And how about revenue from growth and investment in the U.K. It won’t of course be immediate, but Labour recognise that fact which is why they are talking about first steps, with the aspiration/plan to reform the NHS etc over time.

Just listening to someone from the Institute for Fiscal Studies saying that Labour don’t know what they might inherit but have boxed themselves in by ruling out tax increases and they will have to cut spending. I so look forward to seeing Starmer & co grilled by someone who knows which questions to ask and won’t give up without an honest answer,

Then they need to bring back the bursary for nurses and pay them more , why would anyone want to join a profession that doesn't value their worth ?

Good decision Whitewave.
Nor would I be prepared to allow a PA to perform surgery on me.
Good grief, what are these people (government) thinking of? It beggars belief!