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Labour to get back to an 18 week waiting list within the first term

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-May-24 08:19:28

Labour are responding to the country’s fears, that the NHS will be degraded even more if the Tories return to power, to such an extent that it becomes like the dental service.

It is an extremely demanding target, but the health professionals have agreed it is doable.

Streeting - the shadow health minister, has said that as someone whose life was saved by the NHS, owes everything to the NHS.

maddyone Wed 29-May-24 08:23:30

Good luck with that.

Sarnia Wed 29-May-24 08:27:23

Easy to say but in reality?

Pantglas2 Wed 29-May-24 08:31:23

And pigs might fly! Check out Wales stats under Labour over the last 25 years and see how 18 MONTHS would’ve been optimistic in most instances!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-May-24 08:37:18

So they have found the funding for 40000 extra appointments per week and the clinicians are ready for it.

It is a positive start.

Reeves has already announced a plan for growth with a Treasury whose task is to go for growth in all its undertakings.

Keynsian economics - will produce the revenue needed to fund the NHS - Labour succeeded beyond all expectations in its last term in office

Remember by the end of the Labour government the NHS was considered the best performing health service in the world and that was all down to the investment we put in as tax payers to get something we were all proud of.

maddyone Wed 29-May-24 08:42:30

I hope you haven’t got a pension pot. Labour raided the private pensions in the first budget of it’s last term. That was one way they funded public spending.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 29-May-24 08:43:21

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 29-May-24 08:44:17

maddyone

I hope you haven’t got a pension pot. Labour raided the private pensions in the first budget of it’s last term. That was one way they funded public spending.

Time to stuff the mattresses.

ronib Wed 29-May-24 08:45:20

How does the Reeves plan for growth differ from the Liz Truss plan for growth? Grow the economy I seem to remember was the catchphrase and look where we ended up?

petra Wed 29-May-24 08:46:34

I like Wes Streetings take on the NHS. It’s not a sacred cow.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-nhs-reform-sacred-cow-wes-streeting-g87f865nc

fancythat Wed 29-May-24 09:11:24

maddyone

I hope you haven’t got a pension pot. Labour raided the private pensions in the first budget of it’s last term. That was one way they funded public spending.

How were they able to manage that?
I can look it up, but if you would care to write about it here?!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-May-24 09:15:44

ronib

How does the Reeves plan for growth differ from the Liz Truss plan for growth? Grow the economy I seem to remember was the catchphrase and look where we ended up?

Love all the negativity from all the Tory supporters 😄😄😄

Hope you have private health insurance.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 29-May-24 09:17:43

Oh sorry ronib I meant for that quote to be on top of this post.

So Reeves and Truss are so far apart in the way they view economics that they have zero in common.

Think Truss- = neo-liberalism on stilts

Reeves =Keynesianism

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 29-May-24 09:24:01

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

Wyllow3 Wed 29-May-24 09:24:15

They also plan to train more doctors and nurses, but this will come through slowly.

ronib Wed 29-May-24 09:24:49

Wwm2 no I don’t have private health insurance.
I read The Times article and am confused. Streeting is suggesting that revenue recouped from tax avoidance will be used to fund the improvements in the NHS. Does he have any agreement with the pro growth Reeves on this and how it is to be accomplished?
Human beings have a habit of believing what they want regardless of reality.

Sparklefizz Wed 29-May-24 09:26:39

Germanshepherdsmum

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

I was just about to say this. People I know are having surgery on Sundays. I, myself, have had medical appointments on Saturday mornings and weekday evenings. The NHS staff have been working hard to clear the backlog for over a year now.

Where is the extra capacity going to come from? Are we going to have more than 24 hours in a day?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 29-May-24 09:28:29

This money from tax avoidance and evasion is going to have to go a long way isn’t it? And how long will it take to roll in?

ronib Wed 29-May-24 09:29:22

Whitewavemark2

Oh sorry ronib I meant for that quote to be on top of this post.

So Reeves and Truss are so far apart in the way they view economics that they have zero in common.

Think Truss- = neo-liberalism on stilts

Reeves =Keynesianism

Keynesianism as in spend money we don’t have.

Primrose53 Wed 29-May-24 09:36:43

Sparklefizz

Germanshepherdsmum

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

I was just about to say this. People I know are having surgery on Sundays. I, myself, have had medical appointments on Saturday mornings and weekday evenings. The NHS staff have been working hard to clear the backlog for over a year now.

Where is the extra capacity going to come from? Are we going to have more than 24 hours in a day?

My husband and I have both had hospital appointments at weekends in recent months. Our regional hospital also has a special clinic set up where Doctors and nurses come up from London to help clear the backlog at weekends. It runs like clockwork. I had a minor op there.

MaizieD Wed 29-May-24 09:36:58

Keynesianism as in spend money we don’t have.

Do you you know better about how a national economy and money 'issuance' works than did one of the globally acknowledged 'great' economists?

I have to say that announcing that you are planning to finance X project with money from Y taxation is decidedly NOT Keynesianism.

ronib Wed 29-May-24 09:41:28

MaizieD are you asking me?
Just to be clear seems to me that both Labour and Conservatives are completely out of their economic depth.
Let’s just sit back and enjoy whatever fantasy is next spun! An interesting few weeks ahead.

Oreo Wed 29-May-24 10:09:51

Whitewavemark2

So they have found the funding for 40000 extra appointments per week and the clinicians are ready for it.

It is a positive start.

Reeves has already announced a plan for growth with a Treasury whose task is to go for growth in all its undertakings.

Keynsian economics - will produce the revenue needed to fund the NHS - Labour succeeded beyond all expectations in its last term in office

Remember by the end of the Labour government the NHS was considered the best performing health service in the world and that was all down to the investment we put in as tax payers to get something we were all proud of.

Sorry but your posts make me laugh, are you a part time spin doctor?
It’s all electioneering, and btw this isn’t negativity from a Tory voter as I have always voted Labour.
We can hope things will improve but don’t hold your breath on the NHS issues.

eazybee Wed 29-May-24 10:09:58

Well, the first thing any party needs to do is to persuade doctors to work full time, not like the six I know who prioritize work-life balance over their career. In their thirties, all refuse to work more than three days a week and all can afford to live comfortably on what they earn.

MaizieD Wed 29-May-24 10:29:15

ronib

MaizieD are you asking me?
Just to be clear seems to me that both Labour and Conservatives are completely out of their economic depth.
Let’s just sit back and enjoy whatever fantasy is next spun! An interesting few weeks ahead.

You're the one who is critiquing Keynesianism. Presumably you do that from a position of knowledge?